Coronavirus - Overall
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Re: Spain.
The Spanish health ministry has just updated the country’s Covid-19 death toll to 28,313 after leaving the figure frozen at 27,136 for almost two weeks while it checked and analysed the data.
The government had been widely criticised for “pausing” the death figures on 7 June, but had defended the move on the grounds that it needed to “review the information on deaths” and establish the date of death, rather than when the death was reported.
Statistics on infections and deaths are collected by each of Spain’s 17 autonomous regions and then given to the central government in Madrid.
Towards the end of May, the health ministry changed its methods for collecting data on cases and deaths, leading to a sharp drop in daily cases and some days when no deaths were reported – despite regional governments reporting fatalities over the same period.
Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa appears before the parliamentary Commission for Social and Economic reconstruction at the Lower House in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: MARISCAL/EPA
The government argued that the changes had been needed to help it pin down and isolate new outbreaks rather than focusing on the overall picture.
On Friday, the health minister, Salvador Illa, said there have been 34 small outbreaks involving 982 individual cases in Spain over the past four to six weeks. He added that all of the outbreaks were now under control.
Most of the outbreaks were detected among people who had flouted the lockdown to gather for parties, among people working in slaughterhouses, or among seasonal workers or those returning from working abroad.
The government says it is still working to process and provide figures on the number of people who have died from the coronavirus in Spanish care homes. Deaths in homes for elderly or disabled people are expected to account for a significant proportion of all deaths.
Of the 15,043 people who have died from the virus or with associated symptoms in the Madrid region alone, 5,981 were in residential homes.
Mortality figures from the Carlos III research institute in Madrid show that there were 43,360 “excess deaths” – more fatalities than would normally have been expected – in Spain between 13 March and 22 May.
While 77,362 deaths had been anticipated over the period, there were 120,722 – a 56% increase.
The latest figures from the health ministry suggest that confirmed cases of Covid-19 account for at least 64% of those excess deaths.
Sources said that many of the remaining deaths could be down to the virus, but noted that the figures could also be skewed by the fact that many people had been too scared to go to hospital during the height of the pandemic, and may have died at home from strokes or heart attacks as a result.
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life I'm an advocate for the handshake. Tells you heaps about the bloke in front of you.
What does a handshake tell you?
Over the years I've found it gives a handy indication of confidence, hierarchy and limited idea of sociability.
Working in business with Asians it also tells how comfortable or experienced they are with western culture.
The look in the eye at point of shaking gives other indications.
Shaking hands and other gesture greetings can be very nuanced. The hands pressed together in Buddhist countries has the same depending the flatness of the hands and the height of your hands in relation to your body.Contrast limp handshake with no eye contact and strong handshake with eye contact. Pronated hand to signify dominance, vice like squeeze to indicate personal insecurity (😉), initiating a handshake first reveals some surety and confidence.
I know this appears a bit over egged but as social animals the ( old fashioned now) handshake is the first impression of a relationship and gestures give away an impression of a person more genuinely than the words he speaks.
Skin contact is also a significant thing in human interactions.
It all runs along the same lines as Asians giving out business cards in a particular manner. Archetypal behaviours to set the tone of a relationship- friend or possible foe. Respect or dominance.
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@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life I'm an advocate for the handshake. Tells you heaps about the bloke in front of you.
What does a handshake tell you?
Over the years I've found it gives a handy indication of confidence, hierarchy and limited idea of sociability.
Working in business with Asians it also tells how comfortable or experienced they are with western culture.
The look in the eye at point of shaking gives other indications.
Shaking hands and other gesture greetings can be very nuanced. The hands pressed together in Buddhist countries has the same depending the flatness of the hands and the height of your hands in relation to your body.Contrast limp handshake with no eye contact and strong handshake with eye contact. Pronated hand to signify dominance, vice like squeeze to indicate personal insecurity (😉), initiating a handshake first reveals some surety and confidence.
I know this appears a bit over egged but as social animals the ( old fashioned now) handshake is the first impression of a relationship and gestures give away an impression of a person more genuinely than the words he speaks.
Skin contact is also a significant thing in human interactions.
It all runs along the same lines as Asians giving out business cards in a particular manner. Archetypal behaviours to set the tone of a relationship- friend or possible foe. Respect or dominance.
Good answer
I am a reluctant handshaker. I very rarely initiate one and place very little value on them. Like a lot of social 'pleasantries' I think they can be faked.
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I was brought up Catholic, lots of hand shakers there, offering eachother the "sign of peace" wonder how that part will go down in mass now. ✌🏻And the dishing out of communion will the priest where gloves?
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@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Crazy-Horse said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life I'm an advocate for the handshake. Tells you heaps about the bloke in front of you.
What does a handshake tell you?
Over the years I've found it gives a handy indication of confidence, hierarchy and limited idea of sociability.
Working in business with Asians it also tells how comfortable or experienced they are with western culture.
The look in the eye at point of shaking gives other indications.
Shaking hands and other gesture greetings can be very nuanced. The hands pressed together in Buddhist countries has the same depending the flatness of the hands and the height of your hands in relation to your body.Contrast limp handshake with no eye contact and strong handshake with eye contact. Pronated hand to signify dominance, vice like squeeze to indicate personal insecurity (😉), initiating a handshake first reveals some surety and confidence.
I know this appears a bit over egged but as social animals the ( old fashioned now) handshake is the first impression of a relationship and gestures give away an impression of a person more genuinely than the words he speaks.
Skin contact is also a significant thing in human interactions.
It all runs along the same lines as Asians giving out business cards in a particular manner. Archetypal behaviours to set the tone of a relationship- friend or possible foe. Respect or dominance.
Good answer
I am a reluctant handshaker. I very rarely initiate one and place very little value on them. Like a lot of social 'pleasantries' I think they can be faked.
Just never be that fluffybunny that upon hand contact immediately turns his head to talk to someone else as you search for the all important eye contact. They're always pricks 😁
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@canefan small penis everytime😁
Me old man taught me the technique where they never hurt. Just push the webbing around the base of your thumb into theirs - stalemate, no leverage to squeeze.
Handshake lessons were an essential module in all my teaching to Asians 🙂. Well received too. -
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan small penis everytime😁
Me old man taught me the technique where they never hurt. Just push the webbing around the base of your thumb into theirs - stalemate, no leverage to squeeze.
Handshake lessons were an essential module in all my teaching to Asians 🙂. Well received too.I got taught that too. As long as you don't lose concentration at the hit you are sweet. Just like a scrum 😁
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Onto something a bit different
I hate masks so to Kayleigh
And also Trump for not buying into this nonsenseWhite House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Friday that she would be among the administration officials attending President Trump’s reelection rally in Tulsa, Okla., on Saturday, but she will not be wearing a mask recommended to help stop the spread of COVID-19.
“It’s a personal choice. I won’t be wearing a mask and I can’t speak for my colleagues,” McEnany said of her plans.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Re: Spain.
The Spanish health ministry has just updated the country’s Covid-19 death toll to 28,313 after leaving the figure frozen at 27,136 for almost two weeks while it checked and analysed the data.
The government had been widely criticised for “pausing” the death figures on 7 June, but had defended the move on the grounds that it needed to “review the information on deaths” and establish the date of death, rather than when the death was reported.
Statistics on infections and deaths are collected by each of Spain’s 17 autonomous regions and then given to the central government in Madrid.
Towards the end of May, the health ministry changed its methods for collecting data on cases and deaths, leading to a sharp drop in daily cases and some days when no deaths were reported – despite regional governments reporting fatalities over the same period.
Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa appears before the parliamentary Commission for Social and Economic reconstruction at the Lower House in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: MARISCAL/EPA
The government argued that the changes had been needed to help it pin down and isolate new outbreaks rather than focusing on the overall picture.
On Friday, the health minister, Salvador Illa, said there have been 34 small outbreaks involving 982 individual cases in Spain over the past four to six weeks. He added that all of the outbreaks were now under control.
Most of the outbreaks were detected among people who had flouted the lockdown to gather for parties, among people working in slaughterhouses, or among seasonal workers or those returning from working abroad.
The government says it is still working to process and provide figures on the number of people who have died from the coronavirus in Spanish care homes. Deaths in homes for elderly or disabled people are expected to account for a significant proportion of all deaths.
Of the 15,043 people who have died from the virus or with associated symptoms in the Madrid region alone, 5,981 were in residential homes.
Mortality figures from the Carlos III research institute in Madrid show that there were 43,360 “excess deaths” – more fatalities than would normally have been expected – in Spain between 13 March and 22 May.
While 77,362 deaths had been anticipated over the period, there were 120,722 – a 56% increase.
The latest figures from the health ministry suggest that confirmed cases of Covid-19 account for at least 64% of those excess deaths.
Sources said that many of the remaining deaths could be down to the virus, but noted that the figures could also be skewed by the fact that many people had been too scared to go to hospital during the height of the pandemic, and may have died at home from strokes or heart attacks as a result.
Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes
So is that what passes for analysis now? The irony of the "fake news" critics pumping out dross like this...
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.
Where are you getting that from?
When you click on graph you can see timing of lockdown.
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So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.
What would be expected peak date?
From wiki:
Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions
And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.
On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes
So is that what passes for analysis now? The irony of the "fake news" critics pumping out dross like this...
How is this fake please? Genuine question
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.
What would be expected peak date?
From wiki:
Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions
And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.
On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.
What would be expected peak date?
From wiki:
Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions
And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.
On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.
Oh oh
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Yawn. All these lockdowns are a waste of time experts. Please explain Brazil, USA etc.