Coronavirus - Overall
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@canefan small penis everytime😁
Me old man taught me the technique where they never hurt. Just push the webbing around the base of your thumb into theirs - stalemate, no leverage to squeeze.
Handshake lessons were an essential module in all my teaching to Asians 🙂. Well received too. -
@Siam said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@canefan small penis everytime😁
Me old man taught me the technique where they never hurt. Just push the webbing around the base of your thumb into theirs - stalemate, no leverage to squeeze.
Handshake lessons were an essential module in all my teaching to Asians 🙂. Well received too.I got taught that too. As long as you don't lose concentration at the hit you are sweet. Just like a scrum 😁
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Onto something a bit different
I hate masks so to Kayleigh
And also Trump for not buying into this nonsenseWhite House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany said Friday that she would be among the administration officials attending President Trump’s reelection rally in Tulsa, Okla., on Saturday, but she will not be wearing a mask recommended to help stop the spread of COVID-19.
“It’s a personal choice. I won’t be wearing a mask and I can’t speak for my colleagues,” McEnany said of her plans.
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Re: Spain.
The Spanish health ministry has just updated the country’s Covid-19 death toll to 28,313 after leaving the figure frozen at 27,136 for almost two weeks while it checked and analysed the data.
The government had been widely criticised for “pausing” the death figures on 7 June, but had defended the move on the grounds that it needed to “review the information on deaths” and establish the date of death, rather than when the death was reported.
Statistics on infections and deaths are collected by each of Spain’s 17 autonomous regions and then given to the central government in Madrid.
Towards the end of May, the health ministry changed its methods for collecting data on cases and deaths, leading to a sharp drop in daily cases and some days when no deaths were reported – despite regional governments reporting fatalities over the same period.
Spanish Health Minister Salvador Illa appears before the parliamentary Commission for Social and Economic reconstruction at the Lower House in Madrid, Spain. Photograph: MARISCAL/EPA
The government argued that the changes had been needed to help it pin down and isolate new outbreaks rather than focusing on the overall picture.
On Friday, the health minister, Salvador Illa, said there have been 34 small outbreaks involving 982 individual cases in Spain over the past four to six weeks. He added that all of the outbreaks were now under control.
Most of the outbreaks were detected among people who had flouted the lockdown to gather for parties, among people working in slaughterhouses, or among seasonal workers or those returning from working abroad.
The government says it is still working to process and provide figures on the number of people who have died from the coronavirus in Spanish care homes. Deaths in homes for elderly or disabled people are expected to account for a significant proportion of all deaths.
Of the 15,043 people who have died from the virus or with associated symptoms in the Madrid region alone, 5,981 were in residential homes.
Mortality figures from the Carlos III research institute in Madrid show that there were 43,360 “excess deaths” – more fatalities than would normally have been expected – in Spain between 13 March and 22 May.
While 77,362 deaths had been anticipated over the period, there were 120,722 – a 56% increase.
The latest figures from the health ministry suggest that confirmed cases of Covid-19 account for at least 64% of those excess deaths.
Sources said that many of the remaining deaths could be down to the virus, but noted that the figures could also be skewed by the fact that many people had been too scared to go to hospital during the height of the pandemic, and may have died at home from strokes or heart attacks as a result.
Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes
So is that what passes for analysis now? The irony of the "fake news" critics pumping out dross like this...
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Quite interesting that deaths didn't peak for some time after lockdown. Some suggesting that indicates that lockdown itself irrelevant.
Where are you getting that from?
When you click on graph you can see timing of lockdown.
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So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.
What would be expected peak date?
From wiki:
Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions
And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.
On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Some US governors thought it was 'safe' to push COVID-19 positive elderly patients back into nursing homes
So is that what passes for analysis now? The irony of the "fake news" critics pumping out dross like this...
How is this fake please? Genuine question
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@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.
What would be expected peak date?
From wiki:
Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions
And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.
On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.
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@pakman said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
So, looks like peak deaths were 12 to 16 days after start of 'state of alarm'. Which on the graph is marked as lockdown.
What would be expected peak date?
From wiki:
Under the state of alarm, the central government retains all powers and all police are under the control of the Interior Ministry. Many nonessential activities are forbidden, including large gatherings, restaurants, museums and the like. However, citizens are still permitted to travel to work and buy essential items, and religious services are allowed under certain conditions
And -2 to 2 days after 'lockdown' (29th March) Their lockdown was very severe. As in kids stuck inside.
On 28 March, the prime minister ordered all non-essential workers to stay home from 30 March to 9 April to bend the curve and contain the epidemic.
Oh oh
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Yawn. All these lockdowns are a waste of time experts. Please explain Brazil, USA etc.
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@Billy-Tell said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Yawn. All these lockdowns are a waste of time experts. Please explain Brazil, USA etc.
Did anybody say they are a waste of time? It's quite clear that when it comes to limiting the human damage to CV that harsh lockdowns are the only way forwards. It's also quite clear that if you are extremely successful at eradicating the disease from your country with limited loss/spread, then you need to remain firmly closed for a huge amount of time. Basically until there are no cases worldwide, or there is a vaccine. This could be as long as 2 years.
The economic and other fallouts from this border close come with their own catastrophes.
Not saying either side is right or wrong. A month ago, I think I wrote on here how homesick I was due to the handling of the virus and the genuine feeling/mood of the UK whilst reading about NZ coming out / moving forwards..
Now, I'm not so sure that holds true.Although it may just be because we have another clear blue sky 30 degree plus week coming up. The sun does funny things to Poms.
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@MiketheSnow The analysis takes a single data point (number of deaths in care homes), spins that into a number of avoidable deaths (which is conjecture) then blames someone for the theoretical number.
The handling of the Covid-19 outbreak in the US seems to have been poor at all levels, and in New York worse than most places. Some proper analysis, without the political hits, the inevitable ambulance chasing and the preconceived reasoning would be really helpful. There may be a story here but this isn’t it.
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From his own website:
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
From his own website:
Dr. Murray is one of the world’s leading authorities on natural medicine. He has published over 30 books featuring natural approaches to health. ..He has personally collected over 65,000 articles from the scientific literature, which provide strong evidence on the effectiveness of diet, vitamins, minerals, herbs, and other natural measures in the maintenance of health and the treatment of disease. It is from this constantly expanding database that Dr. Murray provides the answers on health and healing on DoctorMurray.com...
Unfortunately, many people are not aware of the natural approach that can put them on the road to lifelong health. Dr. Murray has dedicated his life to educating physicians, patients, and the general public on the tremendous healing power of nature.
Well that's that source goooone then.... Woooooooo!!!