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Neither is this
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@MiketheSnow fucking hell.
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@MiketheSnow Some of those replies are predictable, the idea of a backlash against PC. Not, IMO, the manner in which to express that view. However some of the replies just show that racism is alive and kicking.
Shocking really.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow Some of those replies are predictable, the idea of a backlash against PC. Not, IMO, the manner in which to express that view. However some of the replies just show that racism is alive and kicking.
Shocking really.
Yeah, I take your point.
However, when under-representation of black & Asian people is automatically labelled "institutionalised racism" and action taken, but under-representation of other groups (particularly white working-class) in university admissions, medicine, the professions, sports and entertainment is pretty much ignored, you're going to get this reaction.
I see BoJo's commission looking at inequality is going to look at ALL demographics rather than simply race-based which seems a sensible thing to do.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow Some of those replies are predictable, the idea of a backlash against PC. Not, IMO, the manner in which to express that view. However some of the replies just show that racism is alive and kicking.
Shocking really.
Yeah, I take your point.
However, when under-representation of black & Asian people is automatically labelled "institutionalised racism" and action taken, but under-representation of other groups (particularly white working-class) in university admissions, medicine, the professions, sports and entertainment is pretty much ignored, you're going to get this reaction.
I see BoJo's commission looking at inequality is going to look at ALL demographics rather than simply race-based which seems a sensible thing to do.
Very much the issue I fear. The premise that fairness now only applies one way is a growing concern and really does need to be addressed or it could become extremely unpleasant. I just thought that particular arena was not the best or most relevant place to make that argument.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
I just thought that particular arena was not the best or most relevant place to make that argument.
Absolutely. But I think we are increasing seeing both sides of the argument active on social media whereas before it was one-sided (though I'd argue there's no argument, just rage and confirmation bias).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow Some of those replies are predictable, the idea of a backlash against PC. Not, IMO, the manner in which to express that view. However some of the replies just show that racism is alive and kicking.
Shocking really.
Yeah, I take your point.
However, when under-representation of black & Asian people is automatically labelled "institutionalised racism" and action taken, but under-representation of other groups (particularly white working-class) in university admissions, medicine, the professions, sports and entertainment is pretty much ignored, you're going to get this reaction.
I see BoJo's commission looking at inequality is going to look at ALL demographics rather than simply race-based which seems a sensible thing to do.
You have to do only a little bit of research to realise that those struggling the most in this country are the white working class in the North.
But hey, they are just right wing thugs, right?
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Don't really care about the Conservatives one - given all the BLM stuff in the EPL, taking the knee etc, it's sort of expected.
But the Labour one ... talk about digging your own grave politically.
I see JK Rowlings publisher today told the minority of authors causing a shit storm to fuck off by refusing to issue a statement supporting the men in woman's toilets community. Great stuff.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Don't really care about the Conservatives one - given all the BLM stuff in the EPL, taking the knee etc, it's sort of expected.
But the Labour one ... talk about digging your own grave politically.
I see JK Rowlings publisher today told the minority of authors causing a shit storm to fuck off by refusing to issue a statement supporting the men in woman's toilets community. Great stuff.
I did wonder what you saw that was so different between the two, so I had a good look at the Labour one. Ha, haha. What a cluster fuck. The only thing absent on the picture for Fathers' Day is... an actual Dad.
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Neither is this
The cynic in me wonders what percentage are genuine replies and what percentage are plants.
Either way it's disturbing.
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I honestly thought it was a meme when I first saw it. If I were a satirical website in the UK trying to make fun of Labour I think that'd be the image I'd use. Definitely no whiteys, and definitely no men.
Considering the thought that goes into these this is obvious pandering from the conservatives. I'd argue this over-the-top removal of white British representation on top of this push to pander to those who want to destroy British history is breeding a hell of a lot more racism than what the retards in political marketing think they are fixing.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I see JK Rowlings publisher today told the minority of authors causing a shit storm to fuck off by refusing to issue a statement supporting the men in woman's toilets community. Great stuff.
There's a dark side to this sort of thing.
Ms M no. 2 has a lesbian flatmate who's looking for a new girlfriend. She has to take far more precautions now due to aggressive "transgender" males identifying as female hitting on her. A number of her friends have been harassed and assaulted in the recent past.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I see JK Rowlings publisher today told the minority of authors causing a shit storm to fuck off by refusing to issue a statement supporting the men in woman's toilets community. Great stuff.
From today’s Times
“Authors quit JK Rowling agency over trans row
... Several authors have left the literary agency that represents JK Rowling in protest at her views on transgender issues.
The authors said yesterday that they could no longer work with the Blair Partnership, claiming it had not shown what they regarded as an appropriate “commitment to transgender rights and equality”....
The departing authors, Fox Fisher, Drew Davies and Ugla Stefania Kristjonudottir Jonsdottir, said that they were “saddened and disappointed”.”
A comments sleuth has noted that Fox Fisher identifies as "Trans. Queer" on their twitter profile. Their partner is identified as "Owl Fisher" (otherwise known as Ugla Stefania Kristjonudottir Jonsdottir - one of the 3 authors to resign). They are joint directors of "My Generation" (Films about trans people, made by trans people, to celebrate trans lives). They are supported by Drew Davies (writer of romantic comedy books).
I’m sure the agency is trying to find a way to break their contract with the author who has sold half a billion books so that they can retain these 3 amazing talents.
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I've mentioned before that an old friend of mine is partnered with somebody who is transitioning. Anyway, this was a social media post from them the other day.
On Rowling... so it’s been a long day at work and I’m at Flinders Station and heading towards the ladies desperate to do a pee and I have a moment and stop and I start thinking about her comments casually tapped into a machine some thousands of miles away and I stand there and I’m paralysed and I think I can’t go in, I can’t go in’ and I stand there and I don’t go in and I go to the train and I spend 45minutes holding on until I get home and I spend the evening tearing myself apart about my physical appearance - of not being an ‘acceptable’ female for the likes of Rowling and I have no love for myself or for much of humankind and I am angry and I think ‘that’s what happens when you spread hate’ so I’m going to try not to do that and I’m going to try and be kind and next time I’m at Flinders I’m going to use my toilet and not let it become a flashpoint for the likes of those who live in a space that has no room for acceptance or authenticity and demands that the likes of me and all my brothers and sisters simply stay in the shadows.
I don't know how this resolves to be honest, absolutely no idea. I can see the point of view above, I really can. But I'm also the father to a 6 year old daughter, and I have zero interest in the idea that a bloke can put on a dress then head into these areas.
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@MajorRage I don’t envy anybody who’s going through that. But I think they are wide of the mark if they think Rowling casually typed it in anywhere. she clearly believes in her position strongly and TBH if her at times quite vociferous feminism isn’t to be something of a hypocrisy she should defend it staunchly, as she has done. Isn’t her real issue with self-identification though? If people are committed to transitioning I suspect many of us would recalibrate the bar for them. Just a thought.
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It's the transitioning of her understandable, anger and anxiety onto someone she has never met, because that person holds views she disagrees with and thinking holding opposing views represent hatred, that I find worrying.
Am very sympathetic to your friend's partner and hope all goes well for her, but something has gone very, very wrong with society when someone holding a contrary opinion is seen as a threat to another's mental health.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
I've mentioned before that an old friend of mine is partnered with somebody who is transitioning. Anyway, this was a social media post from them the other day.
On Rowling... so it’s been a long day at work and I’m at Flinders Station and heading towards the ladies desperate to do a pee and I have a moment and stop and I start thinking about her comments casually tapped into a machine some thousands of miles away and I stand there and I’m paralysed and I think I can’t go in, I can’t go in’ and I stand there and I don’t go in and I go to the train and I spend 45minutes holding on until I get home and I spend the evening tearing myself apart about my physical appearance - of not being an ‘acceptable’ female for the likes of Rowling and I have no love for myself or for much of humankind and I am angry and I think ‘that’s what happens when you spread hate’ so I’m going to try not to do that and I’m going to try and be kind and next time I’m at Flinders I’m going to use my toilet and not let it become a flashpoint for the likes of those who live in a space that has no room for acceptance or authenticity and demands that the likes of me and all my brothers and sisters simply stay in the shadows.
I don't know how this resolves to be honest, absolutely no idea. I can see the point of view above, I really can. But I'm also the father to a 6 year old daughter, and I have zero interest in the idea that a bloke can put on a dress then head into these areas.
At what point would you be happy for a trannie to start using the women's loo? Post-op or is there a stage during transition at which you say "alright you're now clearly more of a chick than a bloke"?
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@JC said in British Politics:
@MajorRage I don’t envy anybody who’s going through that. But I think they are wide of the mark if they think Rowling casually typed it in anywhere. she clearly believes in her position strongly and TBH if her at times quite vociferous feminism isn’t to be something of a hypocrisy she should defend it staunchly, as she has done. Isn’t her real issue with self-identification though? If people are committed to transitioning I suspect many of us would recalibrate the bar for them. Just a thought.
There is nothing wrong, or offensive, with Rowling's positions. The activists make it seem much worse than it is.
@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
It's the transitioning of her understandable, anger and anxiety onto someone she has never met, because that person holds views she disagrees with and thinking holding opposing views represent hatred, that I find worrying.
Am very sympathetic to your friend's partner and hope all goes well for her, but something has gone very, very wrong with society when someone holding a contrary opinion is seen as a threat to another's mental health.Agree whole heartedly. The thing is that I guess transitioning don't feel accepted in society, and want society to change to accommodate them. Reality is that they don't harm anybody (generally the opposite), and don't see why there are issues around it. But there is complete ignorance that the position created is something that could easily be taken advantage of. And by some of the worst / most mentally ill members of society.
@junior said in British Politics:
At what point would you be happy for a trannie to start using the women's loo? Post-op or is there a stage during transition at which you say "alright you're now clearly more of a chick than a bloke"?
I honestly don't know how to answer, or define, that question. Where does it start or end. What happens if in 6 years I'm taking my now 12 year old daughter to some swimming baths, and I see what is clearly a dude in a dress following her into the ladies changing rooms.
I think that I'm entitled to take a position contrary to what Trans activists believe without taking straight out abuse.
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