Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@taniwharugby Yeah. "The buck stops" seems a relevant phrase. Truman I think.
Especially when you have taken credit for the initial good results.
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@Snowy Ex-pat here. Current NZ non-tax payers returning home should pay for the quarantine. People are always going to take advantage. F#%k em. They want to return then they pay. If they can't, an interest free loan or something like that.
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@Old-Samurai-Jack That is the way I would be going too.
I actually would have expected it to get home from Hong Kong during SARS.
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I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.
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@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.
That's the dilemma. You could question whether they are "our own" having left?
I would have put myself in that category after over 20 years overseas. -
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I kind of like the fact that we are a country that looks after its own. I don't love having to pay for everyone though.
There should be middle ground and have tiers of quarantine. Fully paid = motel some where with out extensive menu etc etc. and work way up from there based on how much you are willing to contribute.
That's the dilemma. You could question whether they are "our own" having left?
I would have put myself in that category after over 20 years overseas.I know that we couldn't set parameters around this but for me if you were born and brought up here than you are one of ours
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I'd assume a number returnees are out of work, and a good number of them will be living pay check to pay check, it's a bit tough to expect them to pay as they're probably having to cobble the money together for flights from friends and family.
I'm with Hooroo, I like the fact that we look after our own. But I have no problem with tiers, can't pay you're 2/3 star accom, can pay a bit for nicer then sure.
Also, how much tax paying guarantees you being "our own"?
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pretty sure it includes returning permanent residents too, not just Citizens (or NZ Passport holders)
Really is no easy answer to it though.
Another 2 cases today, both in isolation...which shows its working right?
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Spoke to a friend this weekend who normally returns to NZ twice a year. He won't be back anytime soon, and is taking a long holiday in Europe this season, and won't be missing out on anything ...
The government needs to be very careful with the Fortress New Zealand approach - the rest of the world is moving ahead, opening borders for business travel and tourism, and won't give a fuck about us. We run the risk of damaging relations with export markets and tourism sources.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Spoke to a friend this weekend who normally returns to NZ twice a year. He won't be back anytime soon, and is taking a long holiday in Europe this season, and won't be missing out on anything ...
The government needs to be very careful with the Fortress New Zealand approach - the rest of the world is moving ahead, opening borders for business travel and tourism, and won't give a fuck about us. We run the risk of damaging relations with export markets and tourism sources.
Tourism sources I get but why export Markets?
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The government needs to be very careful with the Fortress New Zealand approach - the rest of the world is moving ahead, opening borders for business travel and tourism, and won't give a fuck about us.
Yeah. I have said this earlier but we really might have to live (or die) with this and let it happen. It's already here, again.
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@Tim I think in the short term (probably through to end of the year and maybe just beyond) other countries will likely not hold any grudges while still sorting thier own shit and gettign thier houses in order, but I expect beyond that they might start getting pissy about things
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@Hooroo We need flow of people back and forth for sales and other functions, including "mindshare". Education is also a major "export", and finally we need to maintain relationships with governments of our export markets, where there are reciprocal benefits they would expect.
China already has rapid access for business travellers and foreign workers from Japan, South Korea, and several european countries (48 hours quarantine).
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo We need flow of people back and forth for sales and other functions, including "mindshare". Education is also a major "export", and finally we need to maintain relationships with governments of our export markets, where there are reciprocal benefits they would expect.
China already has rapid access for business travellers and foreign workers from Japan, South Korea, and several european countries (48 hours quarantine).
I hear you around the Education part.
Our major exports won't be hampered, I wouldn't imagine. They are hampered by the effect of the virus but not the conditions we have placed on ourselves. I can't see that changing for our major exports.
We are seeing a positive response in our markets currently.
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@Tim I was actually relying on you to have solved this by now, but seeing as you are dragging the chain, this is the stuff I was talking about for cancer. So if you could just get on with curing that please.
Fenbendazole acts as a moderate microtubule destabilizing agent and causes cancer cell death by modulating multiple cellular pathways.
Joe Tippens is the guy to google and find out more.
Actually, if any of you know someone with that fucker of a disease then have a look. When my staff member died 6 weeks ago her cancer had stopped, actually regressed, but we found out about the whole thing too late. Both the cancer and the "possible" remedy. Not saying that it is a cancer cure but I do know of two people who are still alive (and cancer free) who have followed the Tippens formula.
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@Tim said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Hooroo We need flow of people back and forth for sales and other functions, including "mindshare". Education is also a major "export", and finally we need to maintain relationships with governments of our export markets, where there are reciprocal benefits they would expect.
China already has rapid access for business travellers and foreign workers from Japan, South Korea, and several european countries (48 hours quarantine).
Mrs CF works at Auckland Uni, overseas students will not be coming back to NZ for second semester. She saw something on Q&A on Sunday, Meghan Woods was saying quarantine capability is already stretched just trying to repatriate NZers. My question is, why the hell isn't someone trying to work this situation out? Businesses that rely on overseas students, rental properties, everyone needs these students back. They spend millions of dollars which the economy desperately needs. We have a standing army that aren't doing a hell of a lot right now. Is there no way we can fashion quarantine facilities, have these kids pay their way and get them back into NZ to generate business ASAP????
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We have a standing army that aren't doing a hell of a lot right now.
arent they now managing the isolation facilities?
Plenty of folk that have lost jobs could be re-deployed though.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
We have a standing army that aren't doing a hell of a lot right now.
arent they now managing the isolation facilities?
Plenty of folk that have lost jobs could be re-deployed though.
They require every bubble of incoming people their own bathroom facilities for starters. So why do they all need 5 star accomodation? Book lots of different places, I'm not sure what they have out at Whangaparoa, look further afield and pay people to guard them. We are the only place in the world who can consider ourselves a safe haven and an education destination in the Western world right now. Time to shine