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@Snowy how can you dodge a land tax though?
Assuming you mean the wealth tax?
I think the lower spending from land owners would be offset by more spending from everyone else through lower net tax.
Agree that due to current asset prices it is difficult
Particularly for those who havent ridden the huge capital gains on the way up, ie new buyers.
For me a lower income tax plus land tax is the easiest to implement hardest to dodge. But also incentivises productive investment.
I might have a look at nzs old land taxes as tbh I bavent looked at any case study just the theory makes sense. -
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Smudge so they've given the role to a builder? could have at least chosen one that starts the day with a nutritious pie!!
He needs to smash back a V to complete the look.
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@Smudge said in NZ Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Smudge so they've given the role to a builder? could have at least chosen one that starts the day with a nutritious pie!!
He needs to smash back a V to complete the look.
One of those 5 hundy cans!
I have no idea how people can drink that dross.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy how can you dodge a land tax though?
Assuming you mean the wealth tax?
I think the lower spending from land owners would be offset by more spending from everyone else through lower net tax.
Agree that due to current asset prices it is difficult
Particularly for those who havent ridden the huge capital gains on the way up, ie new buyers.
For me a lower income tax plus land tax is the easiest to implement hardest to dodge. But also incentivises productive investment.
I might have a look at nzs old land taxes as tbh I bavent looked at any case study just the theory makes sense.Yes, wealth tax. Most peoples major assets are land so it's co related but not exclusive.
Where are the lower net tax rates? Who said that?
I simply don't have the income to pay the tax on my assets and would have to sell them.
The end result of a wealth tax for me would be leaving the country and taking my money out of a collapsed economy. Three families out of a home, six staff unemployed and two businesses closed down with 5 more people out of work.Huge capital gains are only real if you realise them. The actual return isn't great as rents lag gains and how do you pay the tax without the income?
Land taxes were a British thing centuries ago. They didn't work and was abolished in 1963.
See my comments regarding @dogmeat post (and rates) regarding land tax. It is better than CV and also not what a "wealth" tax would be.
Tell me how you nail the wealthy with stocks? At what value, on what day? How do you tax other assets? Should I move money from land to a massive boat and live on that? I've done it before and quite happy to again. It just won't be in a country that taxes me on a lifetime of work.
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@muddyriver said in NZ Politics:
Would expect drops in house prices and rents to reduce
Why would you expect rents to reduce? You don’t think that land owners will pass the additional tax onto tenants through increased rent?
whilst median take home pay to increase with drop in taxes.
What drop in taxes? There was no suggestion of lowering tax rates and the intention isn’t to redistribute the tax to higher earners. It has been clearly flagged up as a way to increase the overall tax take to fund additional spending.
more money floating around the economy, instead of going to australian banks.
As per above, there’s limited scope for new money floating around, it’s going to go into government coffers where it will become some of the least productive money in the economy.
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Surprised no one's posted here as read about in UK: https://www.stuff.co.nz/national/122023431/helen-clark-peter-gluckman-rob-fyfe-on-deficiencies-and-inaccuracies-in-isolation-system
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Well the privacy leak wasn't due to incompetence as I expected, it was Michelle Boag sending private data to Hamish Walker who sent it to media.
He is trying to twist it around to 'but I shouldn't be able to see it, so it is the govt fault for not password protecting it'
What a twat. Politicians constantly tell us that the media shouldn't be trusted but it is OK to send private data to them?
I bet Muller is fuming.
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@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial any chance of criminal charges? That'd be awesome
Against Boag? I would think they’ll be looking at it.
I m not entirely sure why she was in the distribution list as acting CEO of the rescue helicopter outfit in the first place but still -
@Paekakboyz I think that is the only possible reason although its more likely that there's a massive distribution list (just in case)
Even if helicopters were called upon to transfer someone (unlikely it would be much faster - plus hell of a sanitise job taking the chopper offline for hours) why would they need to know the names of every COVID sufferer in advance.
I see Walker is trying to explain this latest lunacy as an attempt to justify his first up mind melt i.e. look at the names I'm not a racist...
Mind boggling.
Privacy Commissioner thinks Boag is answerable under law (Walker isn't as a MP). She's certainly fucked up all her comfortable Board positions I'd have thought.
What on earth was she thinking
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Typical public service thrift too - excel spreadsheets rather than accessible database systems because of cost. The password issue is a bit of a red herring - the data was misused by people who would also have had the password, so wouldn't have done anything.
One theory on why Walker rather than Woodhouse (Nat's health spokesperson) is that Boag is Walker's Nat mentor, so was meant to be a simple hit for him (just call a press conference!), and he found the worst possible way to use it. Another was that he would use it to back up his earlier claim about countries of origin.
A pair of absolute halfwits.
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@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
It's a cluster all round.
Boag and Walker should resign for this. Utterly unacceptable behaviour, and doing anything independently of the parliamentary leadership is mind boggling.
MoH have dodged a bullet at least initially - having the sensitive names of positive tests in a freaking spreadsheet that can be emailed around is also mind boggling, and it's drowned out by Walker and Boag's actions.
Everyone Sucks Here.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
It's a cluster all round.
Boag and Walker should resign for this. Utterly unacceptable behaviour, and doing anything independently of the parliamentary leadership is mind boggling.
MoH have dodged a bullet at least initially - having the sensitive names of positive tests in a freaking spreadsheet that can be emailed around is also mind boggling, and it's drowned out by Walker and Boag's actions.
Everyone Sucks Here.
AFAIK all govt emails have to be tagged with classification in the subject line and the server stops emails that arent. eg the header may be" UNCLASS: Meeting tomorrow"
Emails are also scanned for key words which becomes a pain if you have a disclaimer type footer on an email from a third party that says things like 'and classified information will be treated as such' and you try and forward it without reclassifying.
At bare minimum this type of info should have a footer. Even without one, anyone in Boags position knows well that it should and that personal info cannot be shared on.Boag has already quit but no doubt will collect another gig from one of her many contacts.
The inquiry is looking into why she received the info and why it was to a personal email. It could still be that it was passed to her by a 'friend'
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@nzzp - Boag could have (pretty) easily transferred the data to a non-password protected form, or just take a pic of it to forward. But if she did receive a bog standard csv or excel sheet with no password as the means of formal distribution that is a genuine fuck up. Totally with you on that aspect of this.
It's staggering that she shared it, and that he went on to send it to media! like what on earth did he think would happen? I just can't for the life of me see what sort of spin could work out well for him and National on this one. Guess he's off Boag's Xmas card list now aye... oooh too soon to mention lists!??
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
Sounds like Muller knew Monday afternoon, checked there was an enquiry, and has then chopped heads since. That Walker allowed senior politicians to put the boot into a leak that came from an MP suggests that they weren't involved. Also, if anyone with sense and experience was involved, I can't see the actual information being distributed.
Honestly, I'm shaking my head. So much poor judgement and incompetence from two people who should have known better.
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