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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial I saw she was the acting CE. So perhaps they hadn't transferred her to an official email account or even a temp one! That's another layer of poor practice or she is dancing on the head of a pin and sent it from her CE account to her own account.
It's a cluster all round.
Boag and Walker should resign for this. Utterly unacceptable behaviour, and doing anything independently of the parliamentary leadership is mind boggling.
MoH have dodged a bullet at least initially - having the sensitive names of positive tests in a freaking spreadsheet that can be emailed around is also mind boggling, and it's drowned out by Walker and Boag's actions.
Everyone Sucks Here.
AFAIK all govt emails have to be tagged with classification in the subject line and the server stops emails that arent. eg the header may be" UNCLASS: Meeting tomorrow"
Emails are also scanned for key words which becomes a pain if you have a disclaimer type footer on an email from a third party that says things like 'and classified information will be treated as such' and you try and forward it without reclassifying.
At bare minimum this type of info should have a footer. Even without one, anyone in Boags position knows well that it should and that personal info cannot be shared on.Boag has already quit but no doubt will collect another gig from one of her many contacts.
The inquiry is looking into why she received the info and why it was to a personal email. It could still be that it was passed to her by a 'friend'
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@nzzp - Boag could have (pretty) easily transferred the data to a non-password protected form, or just take a pic of it to forward. But if she did receive a bog standard csv or excel sheet with no password as the means of formal distribution that is a genuine fuck up. Totally with you on that aspect of this.
It's staggering that she shared it, and that he went on to send it to media! like what on earth did he think would happen? I just can't for the life of me see what sort of spin could work out well for him and National on this one. Guess he's off Boag's Xmas card list now aye... oooh too soon to mention lists!??
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
Sounds like Muller knew Monday afternoon, checked there was an enquiry, and has then chopped heads since. That Walker allowed senior politicians to put the boot into a leak that came from an MP suggests that they weren't involved. Also, if anyone with sense and experience was involved, I can't see the actual information being distributed.
Honestly, I'm shaking my head. So much poor judgement and incompetence from two people who should have known better.
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Nats doing absolutely everything they can to lose the election before the campaigning starts.
This is a pretty shocking leak that is distinctive - ie memorable and helps with the de-positioning of Nats as a trustworthy government in waiting.
Thus, Labor may be able to explain away its incompetence by arguing that at least they aren't dirty political scumbags who don’t care about personal privacy.
Just terrible.
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@nzzp said in NZ Politics:
@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
I want to know if it was sent more broadly within the National party, and if Muller knew about this before dumb and dumber fessed up.
Sounds like Muller knew Monday afternoon, checked there was an enquiry, and has then chopped heads since. That Walker allowed senior politicians to put the boot into a leak that came from an MP suggests that they weren't involved. Also, if anyone with sense and experience was involved, I can't see the actual information being distributed.
Honestly, I'm shaking my head. So much poor judgement and incompetence from two people who should have known better.
Good for him to check his facts first. Good of him to try and cut out the poison. Jacinda has yet to slice and dice any of her mistake ridden team if I am not mistaken. I agree it is the last thing the Nats needed right now. But I don't see them winning anyway, just have to try and keep it as close as they can
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@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
Nats doing absolutely everything they can to lose the election before the campaigning starts.
This is a pretty shocking leak that is distinctive - ie memorable and helps with the de-positioning of Nats as a trustworthy government in waiting.
Thus, Labor may be able to explain away its incompetence by arguing that at least they aren't dirty political scumbags who don’t care about personal privacy.
Just terrible.
Which party used information regarding the ethnicity of house buyers in Auckland to prove a point about immigration a while back?
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@Crucial said in NZ Politics:
@Toddy said in NZ Politics:
@Crucial any chance of criminal charges? That'd be awesome
Against Boag? I would think they’ll be looking at it.
I m not entirely sure why she was in the distribution list as acting CEO of the rescue helicopter outfit in the first place but stillWell it couldn't happen to a nicer person. Seriously, who does she think she is?
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
That's the most disappointing thing, the consistency of incompentance across all parties. I could only point out a handful of any of them that I respect.
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@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
That's the most disappointing thing, the consistency of incompentance across all parties. I could only point out a handful of any of them that I respect.
We are being run by idiots right now. And I'm not so sure the idiots in blue are any more capable. Winston is looking about as reasonable as he has been for a long time, which is a sad indictment
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@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@Kirwan said in NZ Politics:
@canefan said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
@canefan As shifty as that was, consciously breaching the privacy of individual, named members of the public is not something we can base our whataboutery on.
Don't get me wrong, this is a massive mistake. But let's not kid ourselves that Cindy's most excellent transparent government is much different
That's the most disappointing thing, the consistency of incompentance across all parties. I could only point out a handful of any of them that I respect.
We are being run by idiots right now. And I'm not so sure the idiots in blue are any more capable. Winston is looking about as reasonable as he has been for a long time, which is a sad indictment
Yep, when Winston is the least extreme and the moderating voice we are in deep shit. Good thing we aren't borrowing 150B and mortagaing out country's future....
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan did that actually identify individuals? or was it a summary of the ethnicity data only? if the latter its still shitty but no where as bad as this latest (double) leak imo.
Well that was fairly racist as well, as apparently having a chinese surname means you can't be a kiwi.
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan did that actually identify individuals? or was it a summary of the ethnicity data only? if the latter its still shitty but no where as bad as this latest (double) leak imo.
I don't think they did. However its hardly proper conduct for a woke party these days. Or is it okay because they were looking at asians?
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@Paekakboyz said in NZ Politics:
@canefan did that actually identify individuals? or was it a summary of the ethnicity data only?
by the sound of it, yep, individuals, locations and so on. If you weren't an idiot, you could have even provided the ethnicity data and a screenshot WITHOUT identifying information to say 'look what is being stored - super not secure'. After all, if patient info is the holy grail and not allowed to be shared, it shouldn't be in a goddamn spreadsheet (wihtout protection) in the first place
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@canefan are you asking me? I saw that as a shitty thing to do and said so.
But having your full info out there as opposed to 'just' your ethnicity is worse imo - you are ripe to get doxed and god knows how many media outlets have tried to make contact.
@nzzp just checking you are referring to the latest leak? not the earlier sharing of house purchase data? Any instance of data being shared where people are identifiable is an absolute no no. Whether as a leak or a hamfisted attempt to sway opinion - also noting @Kirwan's point of focusing on Asian sounding names as some kind of indicator about your nationality
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@Paekakboyz as you were, was talking about the most recent piece. not the Labour 'sounding Asian' piece.
Data's a real problem eh.
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