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@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's becoming readily apparent that no more important decision in the last decade will have been made than who Biden selects as VP.
Running mate at this rate
At the risk of triggering @Winger , surely Trump can't win again.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's becoming readily apparent that no more important decision in the last decade will have been made than who Biden selects as VP.
Running mate at this rate
At the risk of triggering @Winger , surely Trump can't win again.
Not so much Trump winning as Biden clutching defeat from the jaws of victory
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@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's becoming readily apparent that no more important decision in the last decade will have been made than who Biden selects as VP.
Running mate at this rate
At the risk of triggering @Winger , surely Trump can't win again.
Not so much Trump winning as Biden clutching defeat from the jaws of victory
Or as I like to call it; Clinton 2016 Strategy
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@rotated said in US Politics:
@Crucial said in US Politics:
@Winger
Eh?A judge appointed to an Epstein case was randomly shot by someone dressed as a FedEx worker. This meme implies Hilary and Bill were the Fed Ex worker and their co-worker.
Couldn't see Bill on the small image on my phone and until @Winger wrote something other than 'Things heating up..." it made no sense.
Maybe I just don't get such incredibly clever wit.
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@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones Yeah, that’s what I thought too. But when @Winger starts saying things like “ People are so scared of the yearly flu that the economy has been ruined. ”, I have to ask, whose people and whose economy are we talking about?
@Winger seems very invested in the USA, which is fine if he actually lives there. But if he doesn’t, conflating what happens there with the rest of the world is pretty dumb.
I'm invested in the US because its key to where the West goes (but I currently not living in the UK, NZ or the US).
In what sense is it key to where the West goes? Culturally it has been for a while, but cultural dominance comes and goes, and a lot of US culture is not that desirable anyway.
Economically? Well they’d certainly like that to be true, to the extent that they’ve tried for half a century to try and enforce extraterritoriality on the rest of the world.
Politically? Well that depends on whether you think they own capitalism or not. They think they do, but their interventionist, protectionist version is hardly a model to be looked up to. It’s ironic that you rail against elites when the entire way the Americans do capitalism is intended to create and perpetuate those elites.
Now I’m as concerned as the next guy about the outcomes of political dominance of China, and the US may be the only counterweight to that right now, but I don’t have any illusions that they give a shit about me. Or you. So I’m not about to blindly defend anything about it.
No matter who wins in November they will do no favours for the rest of us. Immigration and transit will still suck. They will still screw their trading partners. They will still try and force their laws on people who don’t live there, a cynical arrogance that we shouldn’t accept.
And in general the Wests economy has been ruined (some of the biggest companies has thrived though). Due to a yearly flu that's been hyped up by the elites with an agenda
Large parts have been ruined, yes. Trump’s not going to fix it though. Even if he fixes America (he won’t) he doesn’t give a fuck about fixing anybody else’s, in fact it’s in their best interests to ensure everybody else is in a worse position than them. I can’t really blame them for self interest at the moment, and my suggestion is you should be much more concerned about the economy where you live.
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@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones Yeah, that’s what I thought too. But when @Winger starts saying things like “ People are so scared of the yearly flu that the economy has been ruined. ”, I have to ask, whose people and whose economy are we talking about?
@Winger seems very invested in the USA, which is fine if he actually lives there. But if he doesn’t, conflating what happens there with the rest of the world is pretty dumb.
I'm invested in the US because its key to where the West goes (but I currently not living in the UK, NZ or the US).
In what sense is it key to where the West goes? Culturally it has been for a while, but cultural dominance comes and goes, and a lot of US culture is not that desirable anyway.
Economically? Well they’d certainly like that to be true, to the extent that they’ve tried for half a century to try and enforce extraterritoriality on the rest of the world.
Politically? Well that depends on whether you think they own capitalism or not. They think they do, but their interventionist, protectionist version is hardly a model to be looked up to. It’s ironic that you rail against elites when the entire way the Americans do capitalism is intended to create and perpetuate those elites.
Now I’m as concerned as the next guy about the outcomes of political dominance of China, and the US may be the only counterweight to that right now, but I don’t have any illusions that they give a shit about me. Or you. So I’m not about to blindly defend anything about it.
No matter who wins in November they will do no favours for the rest of us. Immigration and transit will still suck. They will still screw their trading partners. They will still try and force their laws on people who don’t live there, a cynical arrogance that we shouldn’t accept.
And in general the Wests economy has been ruined (some of the biggest companies has thrived though). Due to a yearly flu that's been hyped up by the elites with an agenda
Large parts have been ruined, yes. Trump’s not going to fix it though. Even if he fixes America (he won’t) he doesn’t give a fuck about fixing anybody else’s, in fact it’s in their best interests to ensure everybody else is in a worse position than them. I can’t really blame them for self interest at the moment, and my suggestion is you should be much more concerned about the economy where you live.
My view it a battle between the Nanny state mindset. Where a few elite will set the rules and the rest will be required to follow. Or else. Democrats fit in the group. So there will be free speech but only if its in alignment with the elites dictates. Otherwise no job etc and / or off to a re-educational camp. Sadly its the way the world is going. see video below
And those who still want all people to have some rights and freedoms. hopefully Trump is in this group. As far as I can tell he is. For example re masks
Watch this video. The man has a medical exception yet still these (crazy) women have a go at him. God help us if people like this get power. Another woman used a mace spray on a man who took his mask off to eat his lunch in the park
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones Yeah, that’s what I thought too. But when @Winger starts saying things like “ People are so scared of the yearly flu that the economy has been ruined. ”, I have to ask, whose people and whose economy are we talking about?
@Winger seems very invested in the USA, which is fine if he actually lives there. But if he doesn’t, conflating what happens there with the rest of the world is pretty dumb.
I'm invested in the US because its key to where the West goes (but I currently not living in the UK, NZ or the US).
In what sense is it key to where the West goes? Culturally it has been for a while, but cultural dominance comes and goes, and a lot of US culture is not that desirable anyway.
Economically? Well they’d certainly like that to be true, to the extent that they’ve tried for half a century to try and enforce extraterritoriality on the rest of the world.
Politically? Well that depends on whether you think they own capitalism or not. They think they do, but their interventionist, protectionist version is hardly a model to be looked up to. It’s ironic that you rail against elites when the entire way the Americans do capitalism is intended to create and perpetuate those elites.
Now I’m as concerned as the next guy about the outcomes of political dominance of China, and the US may be the only counterweight to that right now, but I don’t have any illusions that they give a shit about me. Or you. So I’m not about to blindly defend anything about it.
No matter who wins in November they will do no favours for the rest of us. Immigration and transit will still suck. They will still screw their trading partners. They will still try and force their laws on people who don’t live there, a cynical arrogance that we shouldn’t accept.
And in general the Wests economy has been ruined (some of the biggest companies has thrived though). Due to a yearly flu that's been hyped up by the elites with an agenda
Large parts have been ruined, yes. Trump’s not going to fix it though. Even if he fixes America (he won’t) he doesn’t give a fuck about fixing anybody else’s, in fact it’s in their best interests to ensure everybody else is in a worse position than them. I can’t really blame them for self interest at the moment, and my suggestion is you should be much more concerned about the economy where you live.
My view it a battle between the Nanny state mindset. Where a few elite will set the rules and the rest will be required to follow. Or else. Democrats fit in the group. So there will be free speech but only if its in alignment with the elites dictates. Otherwise no job etc and / or off to a re-educational camp. Sadly its the way the world is going. see video below
And those who still want all people to have some rights and freedoms. hopefully Trump is in this group. As far as I can tell he is. For example re masks
Watch this video. The man has a medical exception yet still these (crazy) women have a go at him. God help us if people like this get power. Another woman used a mace spray on a man who took his mask off to eat his lunch in the park
Leaving aside the tinfoil hat nonsense, you’ve completely missed the point. What does the US have to do with you? Not Americans, you personally. I don’t get why someone as invested in a narrative where everyone is out to get you and your preferred way of life thinks that Donald Trump of all people will give a shit about saving you? You do realise that in his worldview you are the enemy, right? He saves US jobs, he screws yours. He improves the US economy, it’s at the expense of yours. He exports US law to replace yours. Donald Trump is not your friend.
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@JC said in US Politics:
He saves US jobs, he screws yours. He improves the US economy, it’s at the expense of yours.
Trump is mainly focused on stopping jobs moving to (almost) slave labor countries. For example the Mexico CANada trade agreement requires a high proportion of parts to be supplied from countries that pay their workers a decent wage or salary. To stop what Canada was doing. Importing parts from low wage countries and just assembling them. This can't happen now. And also forcing Mexico to pay their workers more if they want to export to the US
Surely this approach will help NZ workers. If this type of agreement becomes the standard for Western countries. NZ workers will not be competing with low wages and poor environmental and other work standards.
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@antipodean said in US Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in US Politics:
@antipodean said in US Politics:
It's becoming readily apparent that no more important decision in the last decade will have been made than who Biden selects as VP.
Running mate at this rate
At the risk of triggering @Winger , surely Trump can't win again.
you had to go and say it...thats what people were saying last time around
@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@JC said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@Bones Yeah, that’s what I thought too. But when @Winger starts saying things like “ People are so scared of the yearly flu that the economy has been ruined. ”, I have to ask, whose people and whose economy are we talking about?
@Winger seems very invested in the USA, which is fine if he actually lives there. But if he doesn’t, conflating what happens there with the rest of the world is pretty dumb.
I'm invested in the US because its key to where the West goes (but I currently not living in the UK, NZ or the US).
In what sense is it key to where the West goes? Culturally it has been for a while, but cultural dominance comes and goes, and a lot of US culture is not that desirable anyway.
Economically? Well they’d certainly like that to be true, to the extent that they’ve tried for half a century to try and enforce extraterritoriality on the rest of the world.
Politically? Well that depends on whether you think they own capitalism or not. They think they do, but their interventionist, protectionist version is hardly a model to be looked up to. It’s ironic that you rail against elites when the entire way the Americans do capitalism is intended to create and perpetuate those elites.
Now I’m as concerned as the next guy about the outcomes of political dominance of China, and the US may be the only counterweight to that right now, but I don’t have any illusions that they give a shit about me. Or you. So I’m not about to blindly defend anything about it.
No matter who wins in November they will do no favours for the rest of us. Immigration and transit will still suck. They will still screw their trading partners. They will still try and force their laws on people who don’t live there, a cynical arrogance that we shouldn’t accept.
And in general the Wests economy has been ruined (some of the biggest companies has thrived though). Due to a yearly flu that's been hyped up by the elites with an agenda
Large parts have been ruined, yes. Trump’s not going to fix it though. Even if he fixes America (he won’t) he doesn’t give a fuck about fixing anybody else’s, in fact it’s in their best interests to ensure everybody else is in a worse position than them. I can’t really blame them for self interest at the moment, and my suggestion is you should be much more concerned about the economy where you live.
My view it a battle between the Nanny state mindset. Where a few elite will set the rules and the rest will be required to follow. Or else. Democrats fit in the group. So there will be free speech but only if its in alignment with the elites dictates. Otherwise no job etc and / or off to a re-educational camp. Sadly its the way the world is going. see video below
And those who still want all people to have some rights and freedoms. hopefully Trump is in this group. As far as I can tell he is. For example re masks
Watch this video. The man has a medical exception yet still these (crazy) women have a go at him. God help us if people like this get power. Another woman used a mace spray on a man who took his mask off to eat his lunch in the park
how can you possibly think that? he was very active in condemning the BLM protests, the very definition of free speech, hes also waged a war against "main stream media"...once again, whether you agree with what theyre saying or not it is a voice of a decent percent of the population
hes the first president to not attend a white house correspondents association dinner since 1981...and that was because Reagan was recuperating after being shot!...and he still called in and made a joke about being shot! Trump is the definition of freedom of speach as long as its what he agrees with
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
how can you possibly think that? he was very active in condemning the BLM protests, the very definition of free speech, hes also waged a war against "main stream media"...once again, whether you agree with what theyre saying or not it is a voice of a decent percent of the population
hes the first president to not attend a white house correspondents association dinner since 1981...and that was because Reagan was recuperating after being shot!...and he still called in and made a joke about being shot! Trump is the definition of freedom of speach as long as its what he agrees withThere is a difference between speaking out. As Trump does. And making speech a criminal offense. As the Nanny Staters do. Trump has said he wants free speech and let the people work it out. I agree with this. Have civil action if needed not get the cops involved except in a few circumstances.
And I think that Trump criticized the rioting not protesting.
And he has criticized the fake news media. But hasn't tried to close them down. Or throw them in prison. This is what free speech is all about. Two viewpoints and then let the people decide without involving the cops (although the newspapers might need some more rules to punish them for just making stuff up. Or clearly distorting the truth). Or being fired from work.
white house correspondents association dinner since 1981
So what
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@Winger he has removed the white house credentials or banned more reporters than any other president that combined with things like the dinner show his poor relationship with a lot of the press
him deeming that tweets are all thats really needed limits freedom of speech to one way, media outlets he deems fake are not given the chance to ask questions of him that the people they represent want asked, he removes the accountability
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@Winger said in US Politics:
@JC said in US Politics:
He saves US jobs, he screws yours. He improves the US economy, it’s at the expense of yours.
Trump is mainly focused on stopping jobs moving to (almost) slave labor countries. For example the Mexico CANada trade agreement requires a high proportion of parts to be supplied from countries that pay their workers a decent wage or salary. To stop what Canada was doing. Importing parts from low wage countries and just assembling them. This can't happen now. And also forcing Mexico to pay their workers more if they want to export to the US
Surely this approach will help NZ workers. If this type of agreement becomes the standard for Western countries. NZ workers will not be competing with low wages and poor environmental and other work standards.
Only if NZ decides not to compete with non-Western countries or the Western world goes in for some kind of coordinated autarky policy. Otherwise workers and the economy just become uncompetitive.
The EU has tried this sort of thing for decades and is increasingly finding itself up economic shit-creek (its share of world trade is 1/3 of what it was 20 years ago) and now has emerging economies blocking EU goods & services in retaliation against its "worker protection" trade policies.
I'll give you that Trump sees the problem - restrictive trade practices which hurt the US economy - and takes action. But that action has a high chance of restricting trade and consumer choice and backfiring in the medium term.
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@Kiwiwomble said in US Politics:
@Winger he has removed the white house credentials or banned more reporters than any other president that combined
Are you sure?
Jim Acosta was (justifiable) banned (for poor behavior) but the courts reversed this banning and Trump just said fair enough. He can return. And hes still attending. And Trump points to him to ask his question(s). He is the only one that I have read about that's been banned. even though the reporters behavior and questions can be quiet poor at times
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Fucking morons questioning oligarchs, that'll go well.
Scott Galloway posted a bunch of good questions on his blog , I wonder if they asked any of them?
E.g., for Amazon about tax and the fact that they hire more lobbyists than there are US Senators:
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