Coronavirus - Australia
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
In related news, the Army in Victoria have done around 1300 doorknocks of confirmed COVID cases, and found around 400 people not in their homes. That is unfathomable to me. They have tested positive, but just popped down to the shops, gone to work, hanging with friends.
Should be a 10k fine. That is just reckless behaviour, akin to high range drink driving IMO.
If they can't be trusted to remain at home then an enforced supervised stay not at their home may be the only course of action.
Fines won't work.
If it's like the UK then the ability / inability to pay a fine rarely changes behaviour.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
The whole Boomers had it easy argument really doesn't stack up unless you want to cherry pick the criteria by which the argument is measured.
It's an economic argument and it holds true. Labour force participation rate, increased access to higher education (six times the rate of population growth over a generation and Whitlam providing free tertiary education). Now students pay HECS (government loan for higher education) and the university fees are unregulated. Then after accruing debt they face being among the 15% that don't find employment up to four years after they've completed their degree. If they do it's in a market increasingly marked by uncertainty associated with the "gig economy". The favourable capital gains legislation providing a boon to those who purchased property decades ago and did nothing other than witness migration and OS investment drive real estate values. Helped in no small measure by legislation favouring investment in the housing market. Then in the main income producing years of their worklife they've had decades without recession and favourable superannuation treatment, while the generations that follow them face increasing healthcare imposts on government expenditure, loss of income tied up in superannuation which has a net negative impact for the foreseeable future (and likely to be compounded if the planned increase to 12% happens).
I'm not a boomer, nor am I in the generation taking it hard in the arse, but I do sympathise with them. Their plight is real and is currently being exacerbated by Covid-19. Boomers had a unique opportunity to create wealth by accident of birthdate.
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
When the Greens back nuclear, I know we're being serious about climate change.
Sorry one minute you're talking about pursuing sound economics, then you're talking about completely irrational economics.
Which is it?
Nuclear remains the cheapest, safest, cleanest, most dependable form of energy generation per MWh yet implemented.
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@antipodean Don’t want to lead the thread too off topic especially as I can’t talk to the Australian experience but despite the narrative here being similar boomers had far less access to education went through multiple recessions lives in a much less open society with way fewer opportunities were far less connected had negligible leisure opportunities and housing was even less affordable than it is today. could keep on but it’s largely pointless. Every generation has its challenges. Blaming another for all the ills of society just strikes me as a massive cop out.
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@dogmeat I can't speak knowledgeably about generational difference outside of Australia, but there's no doubt that the power of their voting bloc has meant both major political parties in Australia have ensured their policy position heavily favoured them.
But the response here is making a bad situation even worse for Gen Z.
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These two girls totally don't look like they don't give a fuck about anyone but themselves.....
https://www.news.com.au/national/queensland/news/coronavirus-queensland-teens-who-allegedly-failed-to-quarantine-identified/news-story/d671893867c3389f5f1c5007e3a77871
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@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
everyone see the woman who pasted the vid last week going through the check point...arrested yesterday for more or less doing the same thing, smashed her car window and dragged her out
She's a stripper!! How good?!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@NTA said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
everyone see the woman who pasted the vid last week going through the check point...arrested yesterday for more or less doing the same thing, smashed her car window and dragged her out
She's a stripper!! How good?!
Trip to Melbourne post-covid looking good
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Spoke to my sister in Melbourne, apparently they are about to head into level 4 lockdown. Funny because I thought they were already there
The speculation is rife. Currently in “level 3”, whatever that actually means!
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@ACT-Crusader said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Spoke to my sister in Melbourne, apparently they are about to head into level 4 lockdown. Funny because I thought they were already there
The speculation is rife. Currently in “level 3”, whatever that actually means!
It means not smart enough to be at level 4!
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean Why? We've done this before. I fundamentally disagree with the idea we could have avoided the debt and the unemployment.
Do you think the Melbourne lockdown should end?
I genuinely think there's a direct link between consumer confidence and the spread of the virus. If there were no lockdowns and the disease spread, do you really think people would still eat at restaurants, or go on flights, or go to footy games?
Sure a few might, but most wouldn't. They'd go into a kind of self-imposed lockdown. So you'd get the same result, with or without Government action.
Which begs the question: why have a government lockdown?
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the measures we're taking are heavily swayed to the generations that have had the deck loaded for them all their lives.
If someone else had made a similar comment in a different context you'd be all over them for being entitled / whingers etc.
The whole Boomers had it easy argument really doesn't stack up unless you want to cherry pick the criteria by which the argument is measured. As for the pre- Boomer generations yeah really loaded deck.
No issue with the rest of your argument although as has been said it totally ignores the fact that many of your most profitable industries would be fucked irrespective of whether OZ had remained totally open. Tourism would still be crap and a global downturn is inevitably going to screw the great Aussie dig shit out of the ground industry. Sweden did what you suggest and economically they are no better off than their Scandinavian neighbours.
The bolded bit though - victim mentality / politics of envy and deserves to be called out as such.
OK boomer
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Coronavirus: Stage 4 lockdown expected for Victoria
Victoria is expected to go into the highest level of coronavirus lockdown since the COVID-19 crisis hit Australia – Stage 4 restrictions – in the early hours of Wednesday.
An announcement on the new level of restrictions aimed at halting Victoria’s spiralling coronavirus infection and death rates is expected on Sunday or Monday.
Victoria’s dramatic collapse on coronavirus is threatening any national economic recovery and has led to Victorians being blocked from travelling to other parts of Australia.
The tough new restrictions, similar to the New Zealand lockdown preventing movement and business, are expected to last for another six weeks and would close all but essential businesses and send high-school students back to learning from home.The Morrison government’s whole budget strategy announced just two weeks ago was based on the assumption the Victorian Stage 3 lockdown would be lifted in just six weeks.
Under the NZ-style lockdown rules, supermarkets and chemists would remain open but restaurants and cafes would be restricted to take-away service only.But under the NZ rules, only one person from a family can go to a supermarket at a time and movements are limited to within 5km of home.
Public transport would be severely limited but exercise would be allowed with the existing rules on wearing a mask.During the 48 hours since Thursday, both Daniel Andrews and Scott Morrison have indicated higher restrictions may be necessary in Victoria as “unknown” sources of COVID-19 infections have grown and undermined attempts to trace and contact infected people.
Victoria’s death toll has climbed dramatically in recent days and the infections rate is predicted to soar beyond all other Australian states and territories as well as some overseas sites.
There are now 5,919 active cases across Victoria, with 397 more infections detected on Saturday and three more deaths, taking the state’s death toll to 116.
The final decision on the move to Stage 4 restrictions is the sole responsibility of the Victorian Government and the timing of the decision and its announcement are in the hands of the Premier, Daniel Andrews.
Political circles in Victoria came alive on Saturday night with the speculation and expectation of a move to Stage 4 next week and The Australian understands an announcement is likely on Sunday or Monday. -
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo thought those were banned already?
Barbs pulling out all the stops in support of a fellow ferner. Yeah topping yourself is banned.
Don't do it @voodoo you've got plenty more rants left in ya yet.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo thought those were banned already?
Barbs pulling out all the stops in support of a fellow ferner. Yeah topping yourself is banned.
Don't do it @voodoo you've got plenty more rants left in ya yet.
Wouldn't want to get banned eh, cheers.
I will fucking laugh hysterically though if it happens. Hysterical like the Joker or Jack in the Shining.