Coronavirus - Australia
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
the measures we're taking are heavily swayed to the generations that have had the deck loaded for them all their lives.
If someone else had made a similar comment in a different context you'd be all over them for being entitled / whingers etc.
The whole Boomers had it easy argument really doesn't stack up unless you want to cherry pick the criteria by which the argument is measured. As for the pre- Boomer generations yeah really loaded deck.
No issue with the rest of your argument although as has been said it totally ignores the fact that many of your most profitable industries would be fucked irrespective of whether OZ had remained totally open. Tourism would still be crap and a global downturn is inevitably going to screw the great Aussie dig shit out of the ground industry. Sweden did what you suggest and economically they are no better off than their Scandinavian neighbours.
The bolded bit though - victim mentality / politics of envy and deserves to be called out as such.
OK boomer
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Coronavirus: Stage 4 lockdown expected for Victoria
Victoria is expected to go into the highest level of coronavirus lockdown since the COVID-19 crisis hit Australia – Stage 4 restrictions – in the early hours of Wednesday.
An announcement on the new level of restrictions aimed at halting Victoria’s spiralling coronavirus infection and death rates is expected on Sunday or Monday.
Victoria’s dramatic collapse on coronavirus is threatening any national economic recovery and has led to Victorians being blocked from travelling to other parts of Australia.
The tough new restrictions, similar to the New Zealand lockdown preventing movement and business, are expected to last for another six weeks and would close all but essential businesses and send high-school students back to learning from home.The Morrison government’s whole budget strategy announced just two weeks ago was based on the assumption the Victorian Stage 3 lockdown would be lifted in just six weeks.
Under the NZ-style lockdown rules, supermarkets and chemists would remain open but restaurants and cafes would be restricted to take-away service only.But under the NZ rules, only one person from a family can go to a supermarket at a time and movements are limited to within 5km of home.
Public transport would be severely limited but exercise would be allowed with the existing rules on wearing a mask.During the 48 hours since Thursday, both Daniel Andrews and Scott Morrison have indicated higher restrictions may be necessary in Victoria as “unknown” sources of COVID-19 infections have grown and undermined attempts to trace and contact infected people.
Victoria’s death toll has climbed dramatically in recent days and the infections rate is predicted to soar beyond all other Australian states and territories as well as some overseas sites.
There are now 5,919 active cases across Victoria, with 397 more infections detected on Saturday and three more deaths, taking the state’s death toll to 116.
The final decision on the move to Stage 4 restrictions is the sole responsibility of the Victorian Government and the timing of the decision and its announcement are in the hands of the Premier, Daniel Andrews.
Political circles in Victoria came alive on Saturday night with the speculation and expectation of a move to Stage 4 next week and The Australian understands an announcement is likely on Sunday or Monday. -
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo thought those were banned already?
Barbs pulling out all the stops in support of a fellow ferner. Yeah topping yourself is banned.
Don't do it @voodoo you've got plenty more rants left in ya yet.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo thought those were banned already?
Barbs pulling out all the stops in support of a fellow ferner. Yeah topping yourself is banned.
Don't do it @voodoo you've got plenty more rants left in ya yet.
Wouldn't want to get banned eh, cheers.
I will fucking laugh hysterically though if it happens. Hysterical like the Joker or Jack in the Shining.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Bones said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo thought those were banned already?
Barbs pulling out all the stops in support of a fellow ferner. Yeah topping yourself is banned.
Don't do it @voodoo you've got plenty more rants left in ya yet.
Wouldn't want to get banned eh, cheers.
I will fucking laugh hysterically though if it happens. Hysterical like the Joker or Jack in the Shining.
That's not banned.
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@barbarian said in Coronavirus - Australia:
Pretty extreme restrictions given there's only 40 in ICU. Are people picking up the virus at night? Don't quite understand the need for a curfew.
It’s a big step. They had to call an state of emergency to enable the curfew.
The very worrying stat is the 700+ cases that appear to be not contact traced.
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A curfew. I didn't realise the virus was only spread at night. What an ingenious solution, although the question remains why they didn't think of this earlier.
You can bet these restrictions don't mean jack shit for the Chief Health Officer or the Premier.
“It is hard to imagine a more stupid or more dangerous way of making decisions than by putting those decisions in the hands of people who pay no price for being wrong.”
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why are people latching on to the curfew? isn't it pretty obvious, there are far fewer thing to do at night so its more likely you are just going out to socialise with friends/family and thats where theyre seeing community transmission. That means those people that are flaunting the rules would have to socilise during the day but if they're luckily enough to still have a job theyre not going to have the time
The new rules were less strict than i was expecting and in all fairness not a huge change to our current way of life, 5km is still a decent distance, our biggest problem living in port is about half out 5km circle is in the harbor and another big chunk is the CBD
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
why are people latching on to the curfew? isn't it pretty obvious, there are far fewer thing to do at night so its more likely you are just going out to socialise with friends/family and thats where theyre seeing community transmission. That means those people that are flaunting the rules would have to socilise during the day but if they're luckily enough to still have a job theyre not going to have the time
I remain amazed at how easily people are willing to trade liberty for the perception of security. You do realise if socialising is the issue you can ban that? Oh wait, they did.
Given the inability of the "tracers" to determine hundreds of active cases, I'd suggest that they actually don't know that socialising at night with friends and family is the source of community transmission.
The new rules were less strict than i was expecting and in all fairness not a huge change to our current way of life, 5km is still a decent distance, our biggest problem living in port is about half out 5km circle is in the harbor and another big chunk is the CBD
I guess if you pretend that level four isn't a great deal of difference from a level three perspective, then you're a frog approaching boiling point.
And that's before we acknowledge Victoria isn't seeing exponential increases...
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
why are people latching on to the curfew? isn't it pretty obvious, there are far fewer thing to do at night so its more likely you are just going out to socialise with friends/family and thats where theyre seeing community transmission. That means those people that are flaunting the rules would have to socilise during the day but if they're luckily enough to still have a job theyre not going to have the time
I remain amazed at how easily people are willing to trade liberty for the perception of security. You do realise if socialising is the issue you can ban that? Oh wait, they did.
Given the inability of the "tracers" to determine hundreds of active cases, I'd suggest that they actually don't know that socialising at night with friends and family is the source of community transmission.
The new rules were less strict than i was expecting and in all fairness not a huge change to our current way of life, 5km is still a decent distance, our biggest problem living in port is about half out 5km circle is in the harbor and another big chunk is the CBD
I guess if you pretend that level four isn't a great deal of difference from a level three perspective, then you're a frog approaching boiling point.
And that's before we acknowledge Victoria isn't seeing exponential increases...
not pretending, we were generally staying around port/south melbounre and considering bars etc were closed we were't going out at night, short of whatever hes going to announce today it isn't a huge change for us
and as for the tracing or inability to trace, they can trace things like work...and so its not exactly a huge deduction to say the community transmission is coming for social activities
my only real issue is they should have done this at the start of the second lockdown
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stay strong Vic ferners. This will suck. Especially because you can see other states at the pub, or watching your sports teams.
I have a sneaky suspicion Qld will close its borders again this week
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
I remain amazed at how easily people are willing to trade liberty for the perception of security. You do realise if socialising is the issue you can ban that? Oh wait, they did.
Easy there, Karen.
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@mariner4life at least the Highlanders are wi....oh...at least the swans are wi....never mind
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
why are people latching on to the curfew? isn't it pretty obvious, there are far fewer thing to do at night so its more likely you are just going out to socialise with friends/family and thats where theyre seeing community transmission. That means those people that are flaunting the rules would have to socilise during the day but if they're luckily enough to still have a job theyre not going to have the time
I remain amazed at how easily people are willing to trade liberty for the perception of security. You do realise if socialising is the issue you can ban that? Oh wait, they did.
Given the inability of the "tracers" to determine hundreds of active cases, I'd suggest that they actually don't know that socialising at night with friends and family is the source of community transmission.
The new rules were less strict than i was expecting and in all fairness not a huge change to our current way of life, 5km is still a decent distance, our biggest problem living in port is about half out 5km circle is in the harbor and another big chunk is the CBD
I guess if you pretend that level four isn't a great deal of difference from a level three perspective, then you're a frog approaching boiling point.
And that's before we acknowledge Victoria isn't seeing exponential increases...
not pretending, we were generally staying around port/south melbounre and considering bars etc were closed we were't going out at night, short of whatever hes going to announce today it isn't a huge change for us
Unfortunately for a great deal of people, it is a huge change for them.
and as for the tracing or inability to trace, they can trace things like work...and so its not exactly a huge deduction to say the community transmission is coming for social activities
Well if it were that simple, they wouldn't be having a problem doing it would they?
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
why are people latching on to the curfew? isn't it pretty obvious, there are far fewer thing to do at night so its more likely you are just going out to socialise with friends/family and thats where theyre seeing community transmission. That means those people that are flaunting the rules would have to socilise during the day but if they're luckily enough to still have a job theyre not going to have the time
I remain amazed at how easily people are willing to trade liberty for the perception of security. You do realise if socialising is the issue you can ban that? Oh wait, they did.
Given the inability of the "tracers" to determine hundreds of active cases, I'd suggest that they actually don't know that socialising at night with friends and family is the source of community transmission.
The new rules were less strict than i was expecting and in all fairness not a huge change to our current way of life, 5km is still a decent distance, our biggest problem living in port is about half out 5km circle is in the harbor and another big chunk is the CBD
I guess if you pretend that level four isn't a great deal of difference from a level three perspective, then you're a frog approaching boiling point.
And that's before we acknowledge Victoria isn't seeing exponential increases...
not pretending, we were generally staying around port/south melbounre and considering bars etc were closed we were't going out at night, short of whatever hes going to announce today it isn't a huge change for us
Unfortunately for a great deal of people, it is a huge change for them.
and as for the tracing or inability to trace, they can trace things like work...and so its not exactly a huge deduction to say the community transmission is coming for social activities
Well if it were that simple, they wouldn't be having a problem doing it would they?
thats the point, there isn't any record of these social interactions so they have to stop/limit them
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@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@Kiwiwomble said in Coronavirus - Australia:
why are people latching on to the curfew? isn't it pretty obvious, there are far fewer thing to do at night so its more likely you are just going out to socialise with friends/family and thats where theyre seeing community transmission. That means those people that are flaunting the rules would have to socilise during the day but if they're luckily enough to still have a job theyre not going to have the time
I remain amazed at how easily people are willing to trade liberty for the perception of security. You do realise if socialising is the issue you can ban that? Oh wait, they did.
Given the inability of the "tracers" to determine hundreds of active cases, I'd suggest that they actually don't know that socialising at night with friends and family is the source of community transmission.
The new rules were less strict than i was expecting and in all fairness not a huge change to our current way of life, 5km is still a decent distance, our biggest problem living in port is about half out 5km circle is in the harbor and another big chunk is the CBD
I guess if you pretend that level four isn't a great deal of difference from a level three perspective, then you're a frog approaching boiling point.
And that's before we acknowledge Victoria isn't seeing exponential increases...
not pretending, we were generally staying around port/south melbounre and considering bars etc were closed we were't going out at night, short of whatever hes going to announce today it isn't a huge change for us
Unfortunately for a great deal of people, it is a huge change for them.
and as for the tracing or inability to trace, they can trace things like work...and so its not exactly a huge deduction to say the community transmission is coming for social activities
Well if it were that simple, they wouldn't be having a problem doing it would they?
thats the point, there isn't any record of these social interactions so they have to stop/limit them
If it were that simple, they'd just have to ask wouldn't they?
"Have you had a large family/ friends gathering recently ?"
"Why yes"
"And who was there?"Amazingly complicated.