Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Certainly losing some cred.
I didn't see today, but watching yesterday I thought he looked bloody awful. Gaunt, haggard etc, like he'd aged a year in the last few weeks.
If he was a woman and a mother you would not be allowed to say that.
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Certainly losing some cred.
I didn't see today, but watching yesterday I thought he looked bloody awful. Gaunt, haggard etc, like he'd aged a year in the last few weeks.
If he was a woman and a mother you would not be allowed to say that.
No, but he isn't, so he did, and nearly got away with it until you stepped in. Nice woke, sorry work.
Can't help but agree with both of you though. Poor bugger (shouldn't call him that either, I know Honey).
How much control does he have over the border? I honestly don't know.
Anyway we are back where we were. How long do we do this? How many times?
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@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
How much control does he have over the border? I honestly don't know.
I guess its part of his job to make sure the border is as tight as possible, highlighting the areas of concern and so on, despite the fact that is nigh on impossible, bar shutting it completely, which I believe he wanted to do for S1 of The Lockdown didnt he?
Doesnt absolve him of any blame, but I think maybe he wasnt given the tools and powers to do the job required
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Not absolving Ash at all, but I do think he has been seriously let down by some that report to him. There are a lot of shit people in govt management positions cos they get promoted when they've been around so long that a whole lot of institutional knowledge would be lost if they left. Cough Transport Agency Cough.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat I enjoyed this forum more when there was more sport and less politics/culture
Bring back the Hesson, Taylor and Baz sports thread or the AB pre-game haka thread
😉
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@Bones said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@Snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan Certainly losing some cred.
I didn't see today, but watching yesterday I thought he looked bloody awful. Gaunt, haggard etc, like he'd aged a year in the last few weeks.
If he was a woman and a mother you would not be allowed to say that.
Speaking of Jacinda....
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so a further subsidy offered today (I havent looked at the detail) but without a long term plan, what is the point, particularly the tourism industry
I appreciate it is a big industry, that provides alot of $$$ and jobs, but if we arent planning on letting tourists in for 12+ months, are we simply feeding an animal that is going to die, and pretty poor feed too?
Not really suggesting we throw them to the wolves, just saying without a plan, we seem to be throwing money at an industry that has an uncertain future
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not really suggesting we throw them to the wolves, just saying without a plan, we seem to be throwing money at an industry that has an uncertain future
It's certain there's an election coming though...
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Not really suggesting we throw them to the wolves, just saying without a plan, we seem to be throwing money at an industry that has an uncertain future
To be fair, isn't that our whole COVID strategy? Throw money at it to buy time and hope something comes along to solve all our problems.
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@taniwharugby They have been targeting spending at certain tourism operations though and I gather a big marketing push was on for domestic tourism.
Very harsh on those affected but I do think a reset of our tourism industry might be one of the long term benefits of c-19. Like so much else in NZ successive governments seem to have been happy to stand back and let a low value, low wage volume driven tourist industry develop. I can't have been the only one concerned that we were in danger of killing the goose?
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@dogmeat I think there should be an encouragement for domestic tourism anyway, some of the prices simply price locals out of the market.
I was talking to a colleague who hired a 6 berth camper and went round the SI for $65 a day, pre-covid those are like $200 to hire.
Although TBF, I found the same issues when I was in the UK, internal travel in the UK was vastly more expensive that heading to Europe and beyond.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
...happy to stand back and let a low value, low wage volume driven tourist industry develop.
yep, and it contributes 8-10% of GDB I think? And all with foreign currency, so while not ideal, while we had cheap international travel it paid for our iPads, cars, computers, etc.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I was talking to a colleague who hired a 6 berth camper and went round the SI for $65 a day, pre-covid those are like $200 to hire.
Honestly, I think it's been $400+. Crazy prices for tourists
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@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
I spent an entire summer in my pouf at Cathedral Cove on the Coromandel and only saw two other people there. While I'm not advocating anything like that, maybe busloads of tourists turning up for an Insta moment isn't ideal either. I think NZ can cope with the tourism numbers but we need a plan to spread them around a little more. Helps other regions and takes the pressure off the current choke points.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
It will be interesting to see if this is the epoch changing event that kills cheap international travel, and heralds an era of less travel. I'm not sure it's a bad thing - one of my kids bemoans the fact that 'all the people in his class' have passports and ahve been overseas.
That said, we were contemplating an extended trip around Europe next year - like 3-4 months. Was exciting, but looks completely off the table now. However, relocating to a country for a year (or 6 months) could be an interesting option.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I'm not disputing that but rather how sustainable it is / was. Pandemic (unfortunately) does give us time for a pause and to decide whether that is the best strategy.
It will be interesting to see if this is the epoch changing event that kills cheap international travel, and heralds an era of less travel. I'm not sure it's a bad thing - one of my kids bemoans the fact that 'all the people in his class' have passports and ahve been overseas.
That said, we were contemplating an extended trip around Europe next year - like 3-4 months. Was exciting, but looks completely off the table now. However, relocating to a country for a year (or 6 months) could be an interesting option.
The timing was quite good in that respect, for me personally. I got through 21 countries in 2019, so enough travel to last me a while. But, on the other hand... I got "stuck" in New Zealand, and pretty much forced into repatriation earlier than I'd intended.
I keep telling myself I'm actually lucky - I've found a job (starting next month), and even if all my shit is sitting in London, I'm about to have income again.
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The international travel industry won't change. 9/11 didn't stop people getting on planes. The GFC didn't change the financial industry. Human beings don't learn lessons, we jut go in cycles.
In 2 years this will all be forgotten.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In 2 years this will all be forgotten.
I hope to god you're right
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
In 2 years this will all be forgotten.
I hope to god you're right
you hope i'm right??!!