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@taniwharugby Great question. Didn't hurt them because a complicit media didn't have the will to nail it. They should be hammering National now, because it's incompetence, but they should have hammered Labour them for the same reason. The inconsistency is stark alright.
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
But it's a solution for the hard of thinking, and ultimately a "fuck you" to future generations.
I agree. It's tempting for politicians because it's an 'easy' solution and it grants them enormous power.
There seem to be a few countries drifting in this direction. Covid is being used as an excuse.
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@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
ultimately a "fuck you" to future generations.
I thought that was how it worked now?
Just blame everybody that came before you, don't take responsibility for yourself and the trials of your times.
This time they'll be right. If I was 20 now I would be fucking fuming about our generations. We are conniving to bury them in a sea of debt, and while we already know there is a lot of uncertainty about what work will mean, what inequality will look like, how economies will operate, what geopolitics will force them to suck up we are happy to kick our problems down the road to be dealt with by generations with far fewer options than us. And we are making it worse by letting our economy slide into recession so it will be that much harder than it needs to be.
And I'm pretty sure we don't have people in power who are bold enough to face up to the issues, they're more interested in the optics. I don't give a damn if politicians are kind. I'm happy for them all to be bastards if they're honest bastards, and I suspect I'm not the only one.
Now is the time we need people of imagination, not ideology.
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@Duluth said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
But it's a solution for the hard of thinking, and ultimately a "fuck you" to future generations.
I agree. It's tempting for politicians because it's an 'easy' solution and it grants them enormous power.
There seem to be a few countries drifting in this direction. Covid is being used as an excuse.
... and that is where the conspiracy theorists live.
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
... and that is where the conspiracy theorists live.
Not the claim I am putting forward. I'm just talking about the opportunity to push this theory. The theory has had it's advocates for years. However there hasn't really been mainstream politicians applying it (at least openly saying they are)
A crisis is a good time for them to push harder for it. A crisis is also when politicians are more likely to change course. That crisis could've been a natural disaster, war etc etc
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
@Snowy said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
ultimately a "fuck you" to future generations.
I thought that was how it worked now?
Just blame everybody that came before you, don't take responsibility for yourself and the trials of your times.
This time they'll be right. If I was 20 now I would be fucking fuming about our generations. We are conniving to bury them in a sea of debt, and while we already know there is a lot of uncertainty about what work will mean, what inequality will look like, how economies will operate, what geopolitics will force them to suck up we are happy to kick our problems down the road to be dealt with by generations with far fewer options than us. And we are making it worse by letting our economy slide into recession so it will be that much harder than it needs to be.
And I'm pretty sure we don't have people in power who are bold enough to face up to the issues, they're more interested in the optics. I don't give a damn if politicians are kind. I'm happy for them all to be bastards if they're honest bastards, and I suspect I'm not the only one.
Now is the time we need people of imagination, not ideology.
If you were 20 you'd be guzzling the Cindy kool aid
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@JC said in NZ Politics:
We are conniving to bury them in a sea of debt,
Some of us are trying to stop that.
@JC said in NZ Politics:
And we are making it worse by letting our economy slide into recession so it will be that much harder than it needs to be.
Some of us are trying to stop that too.
I would never call anyone a "boomer" or try and make something a generational thing. We didn't do it in the past, so is it just the entitled young that do that now? Each has to deal with their own issues - wars, recessions, pandemics. This isn't greed, it is a disease and quite possibly bad management.
It is not a whole generation that causes these things, it is circumstance. My family did it tough after WW2. We didn't blame them for Hitler invading Poland.
If you were 20 I 'd be force feeding you concrete. This is the world that you live in, deal with it.
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Well, on a personal level the Nats have lost points with me around their 'pay for managed isolation' policy.
When it came out I thought that some of the circumstances that hadnt been worked through would be addressed beyond the populism of folk moaning about paying for '5-star hotels'.This is what Brownlee declared..
*National’s policy is about fairness. Many Kiwis have only one or two overseas holidays in their lives. National won’t expect taxpayers to pay for other Kiwis returning from high-paying careers or expensive holidays in Europe”
“Those who need to return to New Zealand have had plenty of time to get home since border restrictions began, including through repatriation flights organised by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
“They will have a further two weeks to get home without facing the charge, after the election of a National Government on 19 September.*
What a load of bollocks. Not everyone overseas is in a high paying career or an expensive holiday. That's the type of comment I would expect from the Greens FFS!
MFAT arranged some piggybacking on other flights from a couple of places. It was hardly Dunkirk.
As I said this is a personal view as my son and his partner are still in the UK but constantly assessing the position and risk on travelling/staying. They have been overseas gaining skills and experience and to develop a business to come back with and add to our economy.
Kiwis that have not flooded back here should be being thanked, not castigated as being rich and/or lazy. They haven't incurred any costs to NZ (as yet) and haven't added strain to housing or benefits needs.
At the moment they can continue earning and staying safe by staying overseas but eventually their visas will run out and they will have to return. They won't have a choice.
Fatboy Brownlee (that probably takes two seats in business class) can go get fucked. -
@dogmeat said in NZ Politics:
@Godder the price of vege's is truly a disgrace
NZ Business pre-election survey had something like 68% of companies in favour of paying the Living Wage so a rise to the minimum wage doesn't seem out of step with business sentiment
@Billy-Tell agree about Switzerland - unless you want to wash your car on a Sunday of course or disagree with the mandatory irony by-pass
Ha ha. You enjoy your cliches, I’ll enjoy my high standard of living. TBH Switzerland is made up of cantons which are each as different as the other. The Switzerland you think of is found in some of the German cantons.
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@Duluth said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
... and that is where the conspiracy theorists live.
Not the claim I am putting forward. I'm just talking about the opportunity to push this theory. The theory has had it's advocates for years. However there hasn't really been mainstream politicians applying it (at least openly saying they are)
A crisis is a good time for them to push harder for it. A crisis is also when politicians are more likely to change course. That crisis could've been a natural disaster, war etc etc
I I know that's not what you're suggesting. But morons be morons, and they'll fill in those gaps with whatever nonsense seems likely to get the most likes from their moron friends.
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@Duluth said in NZ Politics:
@JC said in NZ Politics:
... and that is where the conspiracy theorists live.
Not the claim I am putting forward. I'm just talking about the opportunity to push this theory. The theory has had it's advocates for years. However there hasn't really been mainstream politicians applying it (at least openly saying they are)
A crisis is a good time for them to push harder for it. A crisis is also when politicians are more likely to change course. That crisis could've been a natural disaster, war etc etc
In any case, you're right about the opportunism. Most Finance Ministers aren't economically trained so this stuff must be tempting, because it's superficially attractive. And in the short term it may even work. Not a fan myself though.
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Leader's debate on now. Judith making a decent fist of it so far. Jacinda falling back into her scripted answers even if she needs to shoehorn them in where they don't fit (for example using a question about infrastructure to launch into her piped hydro scheme). She has the sympathetic frown in full effect
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Great to have lying lefty mcfucking leftface "moderating" the debate.
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@No-Quarter I can't stand him, so even if I wanted to watch the debate I wouldn't.
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@No-Quarter said in NZ Politics:
Great to have lying lefty mcfucking leftface "moderating" the debate.
I had my doubts but I actually think he's doing an OK job. Judith in full flow, but it won't make a shred of difference to the sheeple
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@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan I agree. I can't stand Campbell, but he is actually pulling Jacinda up on some of her vague waffly non answers.
I’m genetically programmed to hate Campbell’s and that Mr McGoo looking fucktard makes it’s very easy.
Such a cock
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@MN5 said in NZ Politics:
@Mokey said in NZ Politics:
@canefan I agree. I can't stand Campbell, but he is actually pulling Jacinda up on some of her vague waffly non answers.
I’m genetically programmed to hate Campbell’s and that Mr McGoo looking fucktard makes it’s very easy.
Such a cock
Absolutely agree. I went in with low expectations but he's been quite tolerable.
Jacinda talking about plans and hope
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