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<p>I love the idea that the people defending this nutjob are "libertarian anti government involvement".</p>
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<p>When what this guy is demanding is government subsidies to fund his lifestyle. If he had done ANY of the stuff he's done over the last 20 years - from not paying for grazing rights, to arson, to poaching (stealing) to a private company or indvividal he'd be sued, bankrupt & gone. He's only got away with it because the government half accept they have to subsidize this morons life.</p>
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<p>9 times out of 10 when someone in the US says "I'm a libitarian!" they mean "I'm susidized to all fuck but too retarded to realise!" </p>
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<div>I think you've nailed it.</div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Harney County ranchers are paying the BLM $400,000 for the costs of fighting fires the BLM claims they set. [...]</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">(Father and son) were found guilty of two counts – the two fires they readily admitted to starting on their own property.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">In order to draw the original court case to a close, the two men, in a plea deal, agreed that they would not appeal the 2012 sentence.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Department of Justice news release said arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. Judge Michael Hogan, however, did not give the two men the minimum sentence called for under <span style="color:#ff0000;"><strong>the Antiterrorism and Effective Death Penalty Act of 1996</strong></span>, saying it would have been <strong>“grossly disproportionateâ€</strong> to the crime. He added that a longer sentence would not meet any idea he has of justice and that he didn’t believe congress intended that act to be applied in cases like the Hammond one. <strong>A longer sentence than the few months he gave them would “shock his conscienceâ€</strong> he said.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The <strong>Department of Justice appealed for a full sentence</strong>.</span></div>
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<div><span style="font-size:14px;">The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals agreed to a review of the case and District Chief Judge Ann Aiken went ahead with a full sentence – <strong>five years in federal prison for both men</strong>.</span></div>
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<div>Throw the book at them.</div>
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<div>Starting a brushfire on your own property, pay for the damages when it gets out of control, jesus-christ, that 70-year-old property owner richly deserves 5 years in the slammer as a "terrorist." It makes complete sense, and is really difficult to fathom why anybody -- even the original judge (bolded above, hoo-boy, says he has a "conscience," what a wingnut) might think it a "disproportionate" and excessive penalty. Doesn't this libertarian wacko realize they're the Fifth Column domestic arm of Al Qaeda? It's a damn shame they're not being waterboarded in Gitmo. Shurely this terrorist-sympathizer judge hasn't forgotten the Twin Towers. It's probably past time Federal Agents investigated him while they's at it.</div>
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<div>Link: <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.tsln.com/news/18837869-113/where-theres-smoke'>Where there's smoke</a>.</div> -
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<p><span style="font-size:14px;">Red Terror while most of your posts about music etc are entertaining </span></p>
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<p>As are some of your posts about rugby.</p>
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote"><span style="font-size:14px;">I don't really care if it's about property rights or not ...</span>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12189432/Pro-gun-activist-shot-by-her-own-son-after-boasting-of-firearm-training-on-social-media.html'>http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/12189432/Pro-gun-activist-shot-by-her-own-son-after-boasting-of-firearm-training-on-social-media.html</a></p>
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<p><span style="color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;">An outspoken pro-gun activist was accidentally shot in the back by her four-year-old son a day after boasting on social media that the toddler was learning how to use a firearm. </span></p>
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<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Ms Gilt was taken to hospital where she was said to be in stable condition. Her son, who was unhurt, was reportedly staying with relatives. Officers said he was not strapped into his child booster seat when they reached the scene. Police say they are satisfied the shooting is not criminal. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">It happened a day after Ms Gilt revealed that her son was being taught how to use a gun. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">“Even my 4 year old gets jacked up to target shoot with the .22,†she wrote during a heated Facebook debate about the use of guns for self-protection. The post appeared to have been removed from her page following the shooting. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">She also posted a video of a six-year-old disabled boy being shown how to use a semi-automatic weapon by what appeared to be American military personnel, with the comment “awesomeâ€. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Ms Gilt had also declared her support for <a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://http//www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/republicans/12185449/US-election-2016-Ted-Cruz-says-he-is-the-man-to-beat-Donald-Trump.html'>Ted Cruz,</a> the Republican presidential candidate who is a vocal supporter of gun ownership rights. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">Gun control advocates used Ms Gilt’s Facebook page after the incident to mock her views on gun control. </p>
<p style="font-family:arial, helvetica, sans-serif;font-size:16px;color:rgb(51,51,51);">“The hypocrisy... Jamie Gilt for gun sense? Sorry you were shot. Sorry your son will have to live with this the rest of his life,†one comment read.</p>
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<p>yeah Tim posted a pisstake facebook page for her son on the awesome stuff thread</p>
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<p>Fixed that for you, obviously I'd wait until the stitches were out and get int the queue behind this chick</p>
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<p>He's not my thing. Ballard may be the most important writer, in terms of style and psychology, of the second half of the 20th century. His biographical novels (<em>Empire of the Sun</em> (the film is garbage) and<em> The Kindness of Women</em>) are incomparable.</p>
Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?