Super Rugby Expansion
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<p>I <em>really</em> hope it's not going to happen, but if it does, then I'd swap the Jaguares and Sunwolves for the simple reason that the Jaguares are from the SH and Sunwolves from the NH. <strong>Jaguares are fine as far as time zones are concerned (I love Sunday morning games);</strong> Sunwolves and American team (I assume that's North America?) should be in same conference, esp if the American team is based in the West of the continent. In both cases, travel for the Sunwolves and Jaguares (and American team) remains a nightmare.</p>
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<p>Not sure how they'd organise a PI team. Don't think it should be based in NZ or Oz, because then the Islands don't get to profit from it (I mean supporters, local economy, development of local rugby). The financial obstacles of a PI team cannot be ignored either.</p>
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<p>Instead of adding teams to Super Rugby and changing the format again, I'd be much more in favour of synchronising the rugby seasons in the NH and SH, and then organise a play-off between the top 2-4 teams of each competition (Super Rugby, Eur Champions Cup) for a world club title at the end of the season. To be included, the American pro competition should first mature more. </p>
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<p>Uh, 7:30PM in NZ -> 3:30AM in Argentina. Just because you love it, doesn't mean the Argies will. Meanwhile Japan's only 3 hours behind NZ, so as far as time zones go, Japan makes far more sense to be grouped with us, while Argentina makes far more sense to be grouped with the Saffas.</p>
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<p>Anyway, the only expansion I'd like to see is Argentina getting a second team.</p> -
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<p><strong>Uh, 7:30PM in NZ -> 3:30AM in Argentina.</strong> Just because you love it, doesn't mean the Argies will. Meanwhile Japan's only 3 hours behind NZ, so as far as time zones go, Japan makes far more sense to be grouped with us, while Argentina makes far more sense to be grouped with the Saffas.</p>
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<p>Anyway, the only expansion I'd like to see is Argentina getting a second team.</p>
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<p>You haven't been watching the Jaguares home games, have you? They started at 10.40am NZT (-> 6.40pm in Argentina; they are 16 hours behind NZ). I was talking about the Jaguares home games, not NZ games.</p>
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<p>My comment that I love Sunday morning games was written between brackets, in case you didn't notice (it was a personal comment, just as I wrote my personal opinion on this topic; it wasn't about what the Argies might think of it). </p>
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<p>Anyway, as I said before, I hope this kind of expansion doesn't happen.</p> -
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<p>You haven't been watching the Jaguares home games, have you? They started at 10.40am NZT.</p>
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<p>My comment that I love Sunday morning games was written between brackets, in case you didn't notice (it was a personal comment, just as I wrote my personal opinion on this topic; it wasn't about what the Argies might think of it). </p>
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<p>What are you talking about? My point was that the Jaguares are a bad fit for the NZ/Aus conference due to the exact point you brought up, time zones. Putting them in the SA conference makes far, far more sense due to that reason alone. Take a look at a schedule with all the different times to see for yourself:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.superxv.com/fixtures/'>http://www.superxv.com/fixtures/</a></p>
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<p>If the Sunwolves last beyond this saeaon, then I'll eat my hat....they/re already suffering dwindling audiences in Singapore </p>
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<p>Move all their home games to Japan and I think they'll be fine. They've had enough close games to give them a little credibility, which is more than anyone can say about the Kings.</p> -
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<p>If the Sunwolves last beyond this saeaon, then I'll eat my hat....they/re already suffering dwindling audiences in Singapore </p>
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<p>They do get very good attendances in Japan. </p> -
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<p>What are you talking about? <strong>My point was that the Jaguares are a bad fit for the NZ/Aus conference</strong> due to the exact point you brought up, time zones. Putting them in the SA conference makes far, far more sense due to that reason alone. Take a look at a schedule with all the different times to see for yourself:</p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='http://www.superxv.com/fixtures/'>http://www.superxv.com/fixtures/</a></p>
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<p>Move all their home games to Japan and I think they'll be fine. They've had enough close games to give them a little credibility, which is more than anyone can say about the Kings.</p>
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<p>True only if NZ home games against the Jaguares should always be played in the evening. If you have a kick-off time of 2.35pm (like in NPC) on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, it's no worse for Argentinian viewers than their (current) away games in SA. It all depends on how flexible they (Sanzaar, broadcasters etc) can and want to be. I find the travel distance a far more convincing argument for placing the Argies in a SA Group (and Sunwolves in Australasian) than time zones.</p> -
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<p>True only if NZ home games against the Jaguares should always be played in the evening. If you have a kick-off time of 2.35pm (like in NPC) on a Saturday or Sunday afternoon, it's no worse for Argentinian viewers than their (current) away games in SA. It all depends on how flexible they (Sanzaar, broadcasters etc) can and want to be. I find the travel distance a far more convincing argument for placing the Argies in a SA Group (and Sunwolves in Australasian) than time zones.</p>
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<p>SANZAAR isn't going to do that and we all know. They want as many games as possible during EU/SA friendly times.</p>
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<p>And yeah, I agree on the travel distance, I just figured that was a given. SA to Japan and vice versa is a pretty insanely long flight.</p> -
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5 NZ sides<br>
Natal, Northern Transvaal, Transvaal and Western Province<br>
3 Aussie sides</p></blockquote>
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SA teams were whoever was top 4 in the previous year's Currie Cup. <br><br>
So Free State made the cut in 97 in place of WP.<br><br>
Appears the permanent franchises from SA were entered in 98. -
<p>yeah those were the teams in 1996....</p>
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<p>Having been in the UK for a bit now, I don't think anyone up here besides hard core rugby fans and ex-pats give a rats about Super Rugby. This TV times for the Northern Hemisphere is a myth.</p>
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<p>However, night rugby certainly does work better for domestic broadcasters and advertisers.</p> -
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<p>Move all their home games to Japan and I think they'll be fine. They've had enough close games to give them a little credibility, which is more than anyone can say about the Kings.</p>
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<p>I'll admit to being genuinely surprised at how competitive the Sunwolves have been thus far.</p> -
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<p>Bring back Super 12. No conference rubbish. Every team plays each other. The comp doesn't drag out to long. There's sufficient prep time for test footy.</p>
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<p>Yep - it's reached the stage where I'm starting to lose interest in it being anything like a fair competition. When you can't be sure that the best team isn't going to be handicapped out of winning it becomes a bit hard to take seriously.</p> -
<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Allstar" data-cid="568290" data-time="1459286913"><p>Having been in the UK for a bit now, I don't think anyone up here besides hard core rugby fans and ex-pats give a rats about Super Rugby. This TV times for the Northern Hemisphere is a myth.<br><br>
However, night rugby certainly does work better for domestic broadcasters and advertisers.</p></blockquote>
I'd dispute that. In the 8 years I've been here it's gone from pretty much nothing to having every game broadcast and having a panel of fishheads presenting every game. So I'd say there's a reason for that. -
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<p>I'd dispute that. In the 8 years I've been here it's gone from pretty much nothing to having every game broadcast and having a panel of fishheads presenting every game. So I'd say there's a reason for that.</p>
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<p>Its always been fully covered. And in the early days they were getting Fitzy & Lynah doing the studio bit. Now half the time its on Sky Sports 3, 4 or 5 FFS, its been shunted out to the shithole channels that only the truely cashed up get. And it always used to get replayed a bit, you could often catch the morning games again at 2 or 3pm.</p>
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<p>Part of the fall off will be there are about 300,000 less Aussies & Kiwis in the UK these days. Once the south took off in the mid 00's & the dollar rose a LOT of folks headed home</p> -
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<p>They have Fitzy and Lynagh doing it now. I don't remember that from the first year or 2. I do remember having to hunt around when a game wasn't being broadcast. Maybe just me.</p>
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<p>Shows how often I watch it now! I get all excited then go on & its fricking Sky 3. What am I? Made of Sky pounds?</p> -
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They have that ex bokke fullback, Ali Williams and Nick Evans these days too. -
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<p>Its <strong>always </strong>been fully covered. And in the early days they were getting Fitzy & Lynah doing the studio bit. Now half the time its on Sky Sports 3, 4 or 5 FFS, its been shunted out to the shithole channels that only the truely cashed up get. And it always used to get replayed a bit, you could often catch the morning games again at 2 or 3pm.</p>
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<p>Part of the fall off will be there are about 300,000 less Aussies & Kiwis in the UK these days. Once the south took off in the mid 00's & the dollar rose a LOT of folks headed home</p>
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<p>When I was living there (99-04) I am sure we only got 2 or 3 games a weekend.</p> -
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<p>When I was living there (99-04) I am sure we only got 2 or 3 games a weekend.</p>
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<p>yes that was right, mainly saturday morning. now it is virtually every game</p>