Coronavirus - New Zealand
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it just keeps on giving, this person has been in isolation since the cases on Tuesday...
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@taniwharugby fuck. Botany getting totally hammered right now. The queues outside our building had only just subsided, looks like it will kick off again now
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan do we need to build a wall round you lot, keep you confined so you can go about your lives with the rona?
Need to cut us off from the Pap(atoetoe) and sterilise the whole suburb
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@duluth said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Auckland at l3 for 7 days
The rest of nz at l2
Well that ruins my sons birthday plans next weekend. Fuck sake
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So is this a new outbreak?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So is this a new outbreak?
Family member of student who tested negative 3 times. So they don't know shit
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Three days was never going to be long enough to get a handle on things, especially with a high school breakout. And now it's far worse with an infectious person having gone to supermarket, gym, MIT etc.
The trouble with the self isolate thing is it's high trust, and a lot of people are fucking idiots.
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Arse. There goes the already small prospect of a Trans Ta$man bubble in the near future.
So the latest case 'got a Covid test, then went to the gym'. Let's hope we don't have a few people from Manukau/Papatoetoe/Botany Downs at the Parker fight tonight after a recent Covid test...
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Given how the last 5 or so weeks have been in NZ, are people that fucking stupid or just don't give a shit?
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@mokey said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Three days was never going to be long enough to get a handle on things, especially with a high school breakout. And now it's far worse with an infectious person having gone to supermarket, gym, MIT etc.
The trouble with the self isolate thing is it's high trust, and a lot of people are fucking idiots.
It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
If Auckland had to stay in Level 3 early last week, people - particularly businesses - would have complained about having to stay in Level 3 without the evidence backing up the need for doing so. There was no evidence (when they went down to level 2) that there was wider spread in the community further than those that could be directly linked to Paptoetoe HS. They could all be traced back to cases A, B and C, so had one source (whatever that source was, they haven't been able to establish that).
The problem that is arising now is that this person is a family member of one of the earlier cases, but tested negative three times, so may have been infected somewhere else. So even if it's the same strain and can be genomically traced back to the same source again, they don't know yet where he was infected and whether other people may possibly have been infected that way, too. On top of that, he has breached all the rules and went out and about while infectious (just like the teenager earlier in the week). So basically, now - with the knowledge they have at the moment - they have to go back to level 3.
The MoH can't do anything else but to follwo the science and act on information that is available. Information about the type of strain, most likely source (genome sequencing), most likely link to other infectious cases (epidemiological link) etc. , but there will always be people complaining, no matter what they do or what they don't.
IMO, the biggest problem is people not following the rules, people not getting tested when they should and people not telling the truth. There's a whole lot of information provided to the affected community, things have been explained to them, all sorts of financial schemes are available in case they have to miss work, but in the end all you can do is hope they get the message and listen. You can't lock people up.
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The economic impacts of lockdowns on businesses is well known, and those businesses hit hardest were rightly saying they would need further government assistance to survive another level 3+ lockdown. It's not "complaining", it's the right thing to do because a whole bunch of businesses going bust is a bad outcome for NZ.
Despite this the government has maintained that their approach of "go hard and go early" to rid the community of Covid (as opposed to the original flatten the curve) is the right one. Now you can argue the merits of that, but if that's the message they put out then returning to level one when we 1) don't know the source and 2) haven't allowed enough time to determine how widespread the outbreak is then that goes against everything they've been saying. There's no logic to what they are doing at the moment and people are rightly pissed off at them for going up, down and then up again in a short space of time.
TBH I think a lot of people are sick of the mixed messages from the government and just want life to go on. Ridding ourselves of the virus altogether doesn't seem like a particularly realistic strategy, and constantly locking down isn't sustainable. I tend to direct my ire at the government and little of it towards my fellow citizens who have had enough.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Given how the last 5 or so weeks have been in NZ, are people that fucking stupid or just don't give a shit?
Complacency was always going to be our downfall
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Given how the last 5 or so weeks have been in NZ, are people that fucking stupid or just don't give a shit?
Complacency was always going to be our downfall
our Gross Domestic Smugness was off the charts.
Personally, I'm not critiquing us dropping back to L2 and then L1. What I find frustrating is the inconsistency in approach - one case of unknown origin this time means a week of L3, and cancelling (for instance) round the bays. Last time it was 3 days, and Sunday events just rolled on.
The risk tolerance is just kinda all over the place.
Looking forward, we should be pushing hard for changing to compulsory scnaning, RFID tagging into stores, 'no scan no service' kind of culture.