Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@victor-meldrew pfft you call that evidence! I was talking to Janice from next door last night. Well, it turns out her nephew's friend's dogsitter had the vaccine (3×!!) And she still got the covids!!
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so an Air NZ crew member, tests negative, cruises off into the sunset, and tests positive a few days later.
Apparently deemed very low risk due to Auckland being in L3 when they were out, which was at a supermarket and health centre.
They had been vaccinated days earlier
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
so an Air NZ crew member, tests negative, cruises off into the sunset, and tests positive a few days later.
not their fault -and they sound like they were diligent in using the app.
Also, they didn't lie to contact tracers, which is nice
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@taniwharugby good argument for daily saliva tests, self administered at home if needed. There's no major downside, and if it picks up early infections it pays for itself very quickly.
Focus on high risk people,miq workers, fi6ght attendants, etc
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Police have been called in to try and track down a gymgoer linked to Auckland's February cluster.
“One person from the gym remains outstanding and Health staff are working with other agencies including police to try and contact this person,” the Ministry of Health said.
Must be living under a rock.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Police have been called in to try and track down a gymgoer linked to Auckland's February cluster.
“One person from the gym remains outstanding and Health staff are working with other agencies including police to try and contact this person,” the Ministry of Health said.
Must be
living under a rocka farken inconsiderate cock.FIFY
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This article contains the vaccine rollout schedule:
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They had been vaccinated days earlier
Just to be clear the vaccine works but only after 2 weeks. So after 2 weeks everyone is protected (according to this article) If true there is nil reason to not fully open the country back up when vaccines are available. Those that take them are protected. Those that don't are at risk but they understand this risk. And act as a control group to assess the vaccine in the future
“Well this person actually had only just been vaccinated, so they were a priority for this exact reason, the issue being of course the vaccine takes a couple of weeks to work, so at this point it wasn’t quite doing its job, nor would we have expected it to, but it demonstrates that this person was indeed a priority for us.”
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@winger said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
They had been vaccinated days earlier
Just to be clear the vaccine works but only after 2 weeks. So after 2 weeks everyone is protected (according to this article) If true there is nil reason to not fully open the country back up when vaccines are available. Those that take them are protected. Those that don't are at risk but they understand this risk. And act as a control group to assess the vaccine in the future
“Well this person actually had only just been vaccinated, so they were a priority for this exact reason, the issue being of course the vaccine takes a couple of weeks to work, so at this point it wasn’t quite doing its job, nor would we have expected it to, but it demonstrates that this person was indeed a priority for us.”
You almost have it, but not quite. Vaccines taken by enough people protect those that have valid health reasons not to take a vaccine (herd immunity).
Vaccines don't 100% prevent you from getting the illness, they do protect well and if you do get the disease it will be more mild and harder to pass on. So basically far less people get it, and if they do it's less serious.
Eventually you can erradicate diseases, assuming people take them in high enough numbers over time.
So people that refuse to vaccinate, that have higher risk factors (fat, old, etc), could still die or be very ill. As we only have 500 or so ICU beds (have not heard about any increase in capacity about this) it wouldn't take many people to take up resources for other illnesses and you get a flow on effect.
So step one is get people vaccinated. Step two is only let people that are vaccinated into the country. Step three is then business as normal, and a roll back of any covid related power grabs. (yeah right)
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@bovidae said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan I expect many countries/airlines to do the same.
There's plenty of precedent.
I had to prove I'd been vaccinated against Yellow Fever, I think it was, before being allowed into Brazil. And I think before being allowed onto a tiny 6-seater plane in Venezuela before heading to Angel Falls. They might have even vaccinated me again, regardless of the paperwork I had.
I have laughed when people have thought of a “Vaccine Passport” as being a new concept... it's at least decades old. -
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
If I was King, I was also consider mandatory vaccination to attend schools, and many other public areas (restaurants, sporting events, etc).
I understand that would be unpopular with some.
I wouldn't. For a number of reason. Effectively forcing a medical procedure on some when there really no need to is not a good look
But more importantly its risky. The Pfizer vaccine is the new type. If I was King I would only inject the at risk willing first and the non at risk super keen. Then wait and see if there are any adverse long term impacts.
But I would always want a control group anyway. Who better than those that for whatever reason (eg. UK friend reacted quite badly to the flu vaccine 2 yrs running so reluctantly stopped taking them) don't want to take them. This would only ever be a small group as most are super keen
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@winger There's been millions of doses of vaccine delivered worldwide already. There are no health risks to taking it.
Certainly far less than there are to not taking it.
The concern are the speed at which the virus is now mutating. A race to grant people immunity quickly enough that the maths reduces the chances of more successful mutations.
The NZ rollout is actually looking to be faster than I anticipated. Yet another wrong call by the negative ninnies - we will be at the back of the queue.
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@winger medical procedure?
My medical insurer doesnt think that injecting cortisone into my shoulder classes as a medical procedure, so not sure why injecting a vaccine becomes one!
Seen a post on FB, friend of a friend, claiming her sister was hospitalised after getting the vaccine, and some of the people on there commenting about not getting it, yet I know this person likes to travel...be interesting to see how that pans out.