Coronavirus - Overall
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@tewaio said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Funny how calling it the China virus makes you a Trumpian bigot, yet referring to the Kent (or British or Brazilian or South African) variant is completely fine. As is the Spanish flu.
To be fair I thing he pretty much made it a Trumpian thing as he was the one constantly referring to it as the Chinese flu. In a similar vein, albeit a little more subtly some of the more prominent EU leaders are using the same jingoistic (TBH not sure of that is the word I'm looking for but it will do) slant on the "British variant". All for political mileage of course.
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On PNG.
All across Papua New Guinea, people have been gathering by their thousands at haus krai events (wakes, in the local pidgin) for Sir Michael Somare, their first prime minister. In a country divided by rugged topography, around 800 distinct languages and a weak state, he was a unifying figure. But even as grief has swept the nation in the three weeks since his death, so has covid-19. In fact, the commemorations may be contributing to the outbreak.
Official statistics suggest that the pandemic has inflicted no more harm on the 9m people of Papua New Guinea than it has on the 5m people of New Zealand, with barely 2,000 recorded cases and a few dozen deaths. But more than half of those cases have come in the past month. Moreover, png, as the country is known, has one of the lowest testing rates in the world. Health authorities in the Australian state of Queensland, who recently processed 500 swabs from png, found that half were positive—an alarmingly high proportion. The prime minister, James Marape, says the surge in cases is “staggering” and that a quarter of the population may be infected.
Also, from The Economist, but not free, can only see the first 2 paragraphs.
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
An interesting graphic showing the seasonality and waves by hemisphere:
Both these graphs are from The Economist. Their covid section is free.
Great graph, but remember 90% of humans live in the NH. SH not doing so well after that (except at Rugby)
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@rapido said in Coronavirus - Overall:
On PNG.
All across Papua New Guinea, people have been gathering by their thousands at haus krai events (wakes, in the local pidgin) for Sir Michael Somare, their first prime minister. In a country divided by rugged topography, around 800 distinct languages and a weak state, he was a unifying figure. But even as grief has swept the nation in the three weeks since his death, so has covid-19. In fact, the commemorations may be contributing to the outbreak.
Official statistics suggest that the pandemic has inflicted no more harm on the 9m people of Papua New Guinea than it has on the 5m people of New Zealand, with barely 2,000 recorded cases and a few dozen deaths. But more than half of those cases have come in the past month. Moreover, png, as the country is known, has one of the lowest testing rates in the world. Health authorities in the Australian state of Queensland, who recently processed 500 swabs from png, found that half were positive—an alarmingly high proportion. The prime minister, James Marape, says the surge in cases is “staggering” and that a quarter of the population may be infected.
Also, from The Economist, but not free, can only see the first 2 paragraphs.
A bit more (it's a short article):
png is poorly equipped to deal with the outbreak. The median age is only 22, which helps a lot. But many locals suffer from other illnesses that increase their covid risk, such as diabetes and tuberculosis. The country has only 500 doctors, fewer than 4,000 nurses and no more than 5,000 hospital beds. At least 60 staff at the biggest hospital, Port Moresby General, have tested positive.
The outbreak is causing alarm not just within png, but in neighbouring Australia. The Torres Strait islands of northern Queensland are separated from New Guinea by a channel of just 4km. An emergency was declared last week at a hospital in the city of Cairns in northern Queensland, in part owing to a spate of infections detected among Australian workers returning from a mine in png.
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@antipodean my neighbour who was FIFO out of PNG is now stuck there.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean my neighbour who was FIFO out of PNG is now stuck there.
The impact of which is driven tremendously by location. If I was stuck in The Airways for example, that's not half as bad as wandering the markets in Lae for provisions.
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@victor-meldrew I am seeing orthopedic surgeries 1 to 2 days after sx now for this reason. Hospitals almost need to be rethought as to design. Maybe in the desert with the ability to aerate and open to sunlight.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean my neighbour who was FIFO out of PNG is now stuck there.
The impact of which is driven tremendously by location. If I was stuck in The Airways for example, that's not half as bad as wandering the markets in Lae for provisions.
Had some nice meals at the mines and they were generally pretty comfortable but yeah, The Airways was always good (many years since I was there). Pleased to hear they have maintained their standards. The pizzas used to be excellent and the pool area was great for a get together. As for Lae the fried kakaruk joint was always good. Living on that for a while while would probably result in a short life expectancy.
I'm going to send your vaccine video to one of my staff who doesn't want to get jabbed. Hopefully she will understand it.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm going to send your vaccine video to one of my staff who doesn't want to get jabbed. Hopefully she will understand it.
Should you be pressuring your staff in this way? After all those that want to go the vaccine route are protected (whatever protection it gives)
So why not just respect her right to go another path. And get her to stay at home if she isn't feeling well (as should all staff including the vaccinated ones)
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@winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm going to send your vaccine video to one of my staff who doesn't want to get jabbed. Hopefully she will understand it.
Should you be pressuring your staff in this way? After all those that want to go the vaccine route are protected (whatever protection it gives)
So why not just respect her right to go another path. And get her to stay at home if she isn't feeling well (as should all staff including the vaccinated ones)
There is no "pressure" she can do as she sees fit, but she should at least understand the concept. Don't you think? As one who "thinks for himself" you should have access to all information. She is unlikely to go looking for it in order to make a decision, but she will read the scare mongering bullshit.
Shouldn't she have access to the information to make an informed decision? She knows fuck all about it at the moment.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm going to send your vaccine video to one of my staff who doesn't want to get jabbed. Hopefully she will understand it.
Should you be pressuring your staff in this way? After all those that want to go the vaccine route are protected (whatever protection it gives)
So why not just respect her right to go another path. And get her to stay at home if she isn't feeling well (as should all staff including the vaccinated ones)
There is no "pressure" she can do as she sees fit, but she should at least understand the concept. Don't you think? As one who "thinks for himself" you should have access to all information. She is unlikely to go looking for it in order to make a decision, but she will read the scare mongering bullshit.
Shouldn't she have access to the information to make an informed decision? She knows fuck all about it at the moment.
It was a question (it was a VG video BTW) one that I'm unsure of the best answer to. Back in my days when I managed staff I discussed medical treatments with workmates (like treatments for hay fever for example) but as a general rule left this completely out with staff. I didn't want to be seen using my position of power to give medical advise or suggestions in any way. It was a doctor and team member area that I wanted no part of.
Now maybe with minor matters if asked I would move outside this rule but no way with a issue like vaccines. Safest to stay out of it. But the world is so different now.
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@winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm going to send your vaccine video to one of my staff who doesn't want to get jabbed. Hopefully she will understand it.
Should you be pressuring your staff in this way? After all those that want to go the vaccine route are protected (whatever protection it gives)
So why not just respect her right to go another path. And get her to stay at home if she isn't feeling well (as should all staff including the vaccinated ones)
There is no "pressure" she can do as she sees fit, but she should at least understand the concept. Don't you think? As one who "thinks for himself" you should have access to all information. She is unlikely to go looking for it in order to make a decision, but she will read the scare mongering bullshit.
Shouldn't she have access to the information to make an informed decision? She knows fuck all about it at the moment.
It was a question (it was a VG video BTW) one that I'm unsure of the best answer to. Back in my days when I managed staff I discussed medical treatments with workmates (like treatments for hay fever for example) but as a general rule left this completely out with staff. I didn't want to be seen using my position of power to give medical advise or suggestions in any way. It was a doctor and team member area that I wanted no part of.
Now maybe with minor matters if asked I would move outside this rule but no way with a issue like vaccines. Safest to stay out of it. But the world is so different now.
I think the hardest thing with vaccines is ensuring the health and safety for other staff and what to do when someone's right to refuse medical treatment is on a collision course with an employer's requirement to provide a safe workplace. In areas that are generally without contact with infectious people, the H&S issue doesn't really arise, but in some front line occupations, will be very hard to avoid it. It's also tough for unions since we have members demanding the union pushes their employers on health and safety including vaccines, and other members demanding the union assists them when they want to refuse vaccines.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@winger said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - Overall:
I'm going to send your vaccine video to one of my staff who doesn't want to get jabbed. Hopefully she will understand it.
Should you be pressuring your staff in this way? After all those that want to go the vaccine route are protected (whatever protection it gives)
So why not just respect her right to go another path. And get her to stay at home if she isn't feeling well (as should all staff including the vaccinated ones)
There is no "pressure" she can do as she sees fit, but she should at least understand the concept. Don't you think? As one who "thinks for himself" you should have access to all information. She is unlikely to go looking for it in order to make a decision, but she will read the scare mongering bullshit.
Shouldn't she have access to the information to make an informed decision? She knows fuck all about it at the moment.
It was a question (it was a VG video BTW) one that I'm unsure of the best answer to. Back in my days when I managed staff I discussed medical treatments with workmates (like treatments for hay fever for example) but as a general rule left this completely out with staff. I didn't want to be seen using my position of power to give medical advise or suggestions in any way. It was a doctor and team member area that I wanted no part of.
Now maybe with minor matters if asked I would move outside this rule but no way with a issue like vaccines. Safest to stay out of it. But the world is so different now.
I think the hardest thing with vaccines is ensuring the health and safety for other staff and what to do when someone's right to refuse medical treatment is on a collision course with an employer's requirement to provide a safe workplace. In areas that are generally without contact with infectious people, the H&S issue doesn't really arise, but in some front line occupations, will be very hard to avoid it. It's also tough for unions since we have members demanding the union pushes their employers on health and safety including vaccines, and other members demanding the union assists them when they want to refuse vaccines.
If I have the vaccine. I wouldn't give a toss what others do. As I would protected. And I accept that there is always a small risk in life
But with one exception. When I lived in the UK it was often like travelling or working in a doctors surgery during a bad sickness spell. People would come to work and cough non stop. It use to piss me off. So if clearly ill people are required to stay at home and aren't allowed on public transport. Then I would accept any minor risk that still exists. In that the vaccine doesn't work that well for me and I might still get Covid. We will never live in a completely virus free world (in that people are protected from them).
I would definitely prefer this to removing the right of others who want to go a different route.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - Overall:
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@victor-meldrew One for the grumpy old man thread. When you take a nice bottle and it doesn't get opened and instead you get given the latest Bulgarian Shiraz and your Grand Cru is never seen again
You and I must know some of the same people or were you giving me the heads up regarding @Victor-Meldrew ?
I'm too much of a gentleman to embarrass people by bringing wine they wouldn't really appreciate.
Could be taken either way 😬
Each to his own, I guess. I just drink the stuff.
Given up Fern for Lent?