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On a side note, I had to suppress a giggle the other day when a ten year old kid was abusing the hell out of his father. I tried to intervene and the kid yelled at me "you are a gender fluid fluffybunny!"
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@crazy-horse said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
On a side note, I had to suppress a giggle the other day when a ten year old kid was abusing the hell out of his father. I tried to intervene and the kid yelled at me "you are a gender fluid fluffybunny!"
Be hard not laugh as the father.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
reading more, as advised, he didnt just call him "she" he posted his sons medical details, name and picture on the internet, parents obvious have right but i dont think naming and shaming their kids on the net is one of them
the MSM with their inflammatory headlines again
You are completely ignoring the part in the court order where it was demanded that he use the male pronouns.
If it was just the stuff above I would agree, but it’s not. Government compelled speech is extremely worrying.
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@kirwan i havent ignored it, ive said a couple of time its super extreme, but to say that that is solely why he was arrested ignores that actually dodgy shit (in my mind) he did
happy to agree that if that was all the court order said that would be a big overreach...but its not
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@kirwan TR Jnr said some kids were discussing Transgender stuff in class and one of them asked if he'd date a transgender person, he said no and 2 promptly called him transphobic.
Unusually for him, he just said whatever and moved away from that conversation
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@taniwharugby said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan TR Jnr said some kids were discussing Transgender stuff in class and one of them asked if he'd date a transgender person, he said no and 2 promptly called him transphobic.
Unusually for him, he just said whatever and moved away from that conversation
Yeah, the kids have a transgender kid in their year (note this intermediate and below).
Lots of those terms get thrown about, mainly racist. They also knew way too much about Trump, so were clearly getting “observations” from teachers.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan i havent ignored it, ive said a couple of time its super extreme, but to say that that is solely why he was arrested ignores that actually dodgy shit (in my mind) he did
happy to agree that if that was all the court order said that would be a big overreach...but its not
No court order should be legally allowed to compel speech from a citizen. Full stop.
The fact that there were parts of the court order you agree with doesn’t make that part right.
And, again, who said it was solely the reason? It was the controversial aspect of his jailing so of course it was the focus.
You sure like your straw men.
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The whole trans thing has just gone way too far, and it's really affecting kids mental health now. @Crazy-Horse's examples above are a case in point, those kids are on the brink of suicide because they are not getting the help they need to come to grips with their own identity.
The whole thing is absurd from the outset. You get called 'cis' if you are not trans, however, when you dig further 'cis' actually means you fit the stereotypes associated with your gender. I can't even begin to explain how stupid that is, there is almost nobody that perfectly fits the stereotypes of their gender. They are just... stereotypes for fucks sake.
So then you have them brainwashing kids telling them if they don't fit this narrow stereotype they should consider they are trans, which leads some of them down an extremely dangerous path which often (nearly 50% of the time) ends in suicide.
I just can't fathom why people are standing by allowing this to happen, it seems there's only a handful of people willing to publicly speak out against it. If a kid is struggling with their identity or their gender, the best thing you can do for them is help them come to terms with who they are. If a kid is gender a-typical that doesn't mean they are trans, there's loads of overlap between the sexes when it comes to interests and behaviours. I thought we as a society were trying to move away from sexist stereotypes and allowing people to express themselves without being judged as too 'manly' or too 'feminine'. This just elevates those stereotypes as being the defining feature of who someone is.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan I’m just going to leave you to your outrage
Fine. I’ll leave you to justify the evil of the modern woke left.
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@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Not everything “left” is evil just like not everything right is, the sooner people accept there is some middle ground where we’re can acknowledge restricting what pro nouns are used is great overreach but that posting personal medical details on line is pretty shit the better
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Again, a misrepresentation of what I said. Read it again, a bit slower.
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@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Again, a misrepresentation of what I said. Read it again, a bit slower.
I could say the same, you’ve put more words in my mouth than I’ve actually said, hence why I tried to just leave it
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I take a lot of interest in these discussions. I don't have anything vested, but I find the trans debate to be the on the cliff edge of a very slippery slope.
I'd consider myself a conservative liberal. In that I generally prefer things to be remain as they are, but I'm also happy for people to be who they want to be as long as they don't affect other people. But what I am, unequivocally, is transphobic.
Reason being is not because I have a single thing against people who choose to transition, not at all. It's because I'm unconvinced by the arguments put forward that
- Trans woman should be able to play sport against woman (I refuse to acknowledge the existence of "cis")
- Children should be allowed to pursue any transition therapy/medicine. My reasoning is the same that children don't vote & drive cars.
- Men who identify as woman should be able to walk, without any question, into woman safe spaces (toilet, changing rooms etc.) I think that's easily exploitable by those with bad intentions.
And these days, holding only one of those views has you labelled as transphobic. So I just accept it. Hence, this sort of article & judgment is neither surprising or increasingly, rare. Debate has been shut down by the activists (of which some are in government now across the planet) for a long time.
Being called transphobic is no longer an insult. Other words such as sexism, racism etc are in a lot of cases, catching up.But that is another debate for another time.
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@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@crazy-horse said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
In the wee area that I work in we have three kids aged around 13 years who are transitioning and things are pretty fucked for them. All three are in and out of psych wards, two have parents that cannot fathom what the hell is going on with their kid and there are constant disturbances that we have to sort out. The other one comes from a mother who has mental health problems of her own so doesn't appear overly fussed. All three keep threatening to kill themselves.
I have a personal opinion that some of these kids are just gay. They should be allowed to have time to come to grips with their identity (be it trans/gay/whatever) and make permanent changes to their bodies only when they are an adult.
I feel that some of this is a weird sort of prejudice about having a gay kid. Probably lots of reasons going on, but when this stuff is driven by parents or schools then alarm bells should be ringing.
I believe Iran is a case study in an explosion of trans people due to the persecution of gays over there. I wouldn't be surprised if that isn't playing a role in the west as well.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan someone disagrees and they’re evil, what ever make you feel better
Again, a misrepresentation of what I said. Read it again, a bit slower.
I could say the same, you’ve put more words in my mouth than I’ve actually said, hence why I tried to just leave it
Unsuccessfully.
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@no-quarter I've had a few nights on two-spirits, never a good idea.
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby my understanding is the individual has transitions from female to male and is now using male pronouns hence why referring to him as a "she" was the bad thing
This is not physically possibly.
Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she"