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@majorrage said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
I take a lot of interest in these discussions. I don't have anything vested, but I find the trans debate to be the on the cliff edge of a very slippery slope.
I'd consider myself a conservative liberal. In that I generally prefer things to be remain as they are, but I'm also happy for people to be who they want to be as long as they don't affect other people. But what I am, unequivocally, is transphobic.
Reason being is not because I have a single thing against people who choose to transition, not at all. It's because I'm unconvinced by the arguments put forward that
- Trans woman should be able to play sport against woman (I refuse to acknowledge the existence of "cis")
- Children should be allowed to pursue any transition therapy/medicine. My reasoning is the same that children don't vote & drive cars.
- Men who identify as woman should be able to walk, without any question, into woman safe spaces (toilet, changing rooms etc.) I think that's easily exploitable by those with bad intentions.
And these days, holding only one of those views has you labelled as transphobic. So I just accept it. Hence, this sort of article & judgment is neither surprising or increasingly, rare. Debate has been shut down by the activists (of which some are in government now across the planet) for a long time.
Being called transphobic is no longer an insult. Other words such as sexism, racism etc are in a lot of cases, catching up.But that is another debate for another time.
I'm transphobic in as much as I am scared of the outcome for each poor individual who will try, and fail, to become what they have been convinced they want to be, but can't become, and resultant anger and depression that will result. It's a disaster waiting to happen.
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@booboo said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby my understanding is the individual has transitions from female to male and is now using male pronouns hence why referring to him as a "she" was the bad thing
This is not physically possibly.
Sorry for the cricket thing mate. You were right. Dog died.
Since you so innocently asked, allow me to ruin a small part of your consciousness that didn't need the following description:
“During operation one, the skin from under his bellybutton was rolled together – like a Swiss roll – and stitched up again to make the main part of the penis. Then they cut skin from the sides of his stomach to cover the exposed flesh.
Operation two will create a urethra from skin on his right forearm. The third will connect the bladder to the urethra. The fourth will install the erectile device; a pump inserted into the shaft allowing him to attain an erection by using a prosthetic testicle to pump saline water from a bag in his stomach into the new penis.
And to further spoil your interweb surfing, here's what western civilisation has done to our girls, because, presumably, we aren't allowed to hurt anyone's feelings when teaching about real life and nature:
Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) is what Dr. Lisa Littman calls a “social contagion,” and it primarily impacts young girls. Just a short time ago, only .002 percent to .003 percent of girls in the U.S. identified as transgender. Now, it is up to 2 percent, and Shrier told me that she believes the rate has spiked by thousands of percentage points (in the UK, the number of girls identifying as trans has risen by over 4000 percent). Most trans-identified youth used to be males – that has reversed. In 2016, for example, girls accounted for 46 percent of sex reassignment surgeries in the U.S. One year later, that number had spiked to 70 percent.
Abigail Shrier wrote a good book on this and was, of course, banned from everywhere and labelled a satan type.Once a girl takes testosterone, whatever effects are non reversable. Ever.
All a girl needs to do to take testosterone is walk in to a transition clinic. In many jurisdictions. Walk in and they are able to bypass the parent's wishes and go straight to "rights" under the law of the state. Many regret stories out there. Sterilised 14 year olds who were encouraged to ruin themselves. People pretended a child was an adult - frightful situation -
@booboo said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan yeah you kinda get the feeling kids feel they need to be Bi, Gay, Trans, ADHD, Depressed or some other label to 'fit in'.
Which leads back to the Parenting thread on TR Jnr, which I should go and update.
DefIntel get the impression if you're normal you're not cool
Yep. It appears they all actually want to have a "problem / issue" not necessarily gender related but something that affects them mentally which can often lead to physically.
Funny (odd, not haha) that as @taniwharugby says the kids need to be in a minority to be in the majority. The complete opposite to when I was at school.
It's all very sad. I'm getting a bit depressed typing that. At least I will fit in with the young ones I suppose.
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@snowy said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@booboo said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan yeah you kinda get the feeling kids feel they need to be Bi, Gay, Trans, ADHD, Depressed or some other label to 'fit in'.
Which leads back to the Parenting thread on TR Jnr, which I should go and update.
DefIntel get the impression if you're normal you're not cool
Yep. It appears they all actually want to have a "problem / issue" not necessarily gender related but something that affects them mentally which can often lead to physically.
Funny (odd, not haha) that as @taniwharugby says the kids need to be in a minority to be in the majority. The complete opposite to when I was at school.
It's all very sad. I'm getting a bit depressed typing that. At least I will fit in with the young ones I suppose.
They are constantly being told that it's brave to be this or that, that men oppress women and the most important thing about you is your race.
To a degree that was happening when I was at school, but it's turbo charged these days
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@kirwan yep, they are pushing the line so hard that it is OK to gay or whatever, IMO far too young that it is actually confusing some kids into what it means.
I mean Miss 12's friend that is supposedly Bi, apparently came out at the start of Year 7 (Form 1) so that means she would have been 10/11, neither of which in my mind is really old enough to genuinely know about your sexual orientation, unless you have been fed the information or guided to it.
Mrs TR tells Miss 12 that it is perfectly normal for her to look at a her friend, or some other female and think wow she is beautiful without it meaning you are gay (although I reckon there is still a bit of stigma attached to males commenting on another males look or physique)
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@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kirwan said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Joe Wheeler:
@antipodean i believe i understand but maybe i am missing something
Two issues in play, one about the ethics of transitioning children to a different gender with the use of hormones and surgery.
Second is the Orwellian nature of a government enacting a law with compelled speech, and a court putting people in jail to enforce it. I've been bleating on about this one, even though I think the first is child abuse.
Both are very troubling.
I agree it is an extreme use of a court order, i just dont have as much sympathy for someone ignoring something like that, he was told what would happen, if he was doing it deliberately to make the point of how extreme it is then fair play
It's not extreme use of a court order at all. Courts apply the law. The problem is the law they have been asked to apply. Once the law was enacted it was a matter of time until it was used like this. It's not extreme, it's inevitable.
That's what is so frustrating about this. It was an ideological marker, a piece of symbolism that supposedly would never be used punitively, but you can't give lawyers a tool and expect them not to use it. So here we are, a father coerced into using approved language. A child who has had their parent jailed. Over a word. If this fight was about the child's mental health then this must be the very definition of a Pyrrhic victory. It won't stop here.
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@tim said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
What else is going on with the woke movement, surely it couldn't affect people like me ...
It's always good to know the pilot of your fucking plane wasn't necessarily employed as they were the best person for the job.
If "Get Woke, Go Broke" doesn't apply here, I'll be extremely shocked.
They should have just taken the shortcut route to extreme wokeness and gotten Whoopi Goldberg to play the role of Sulley in the movie.
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@tim said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@majorrage Time to start Cathay Atlantic.
Someone with bigger balls than me can get into the aviation industry if they wish ....
I'm more than prepared to never fly United again!
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@tewaio said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
The Madness of Crowds by Douglas Murray is excellent reading on all this, albeit quite chilling.
Indeed, we all whinge about traffic but rarely do we acknowledge our part in it
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@siam said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@booboo said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby my understanding is the individual has transitions from female to male and is now using male pronouns hence why referring to him as a "she" was the bad thing
This is not physically possibly.
Sorry for the cricket thing mate. You were right. Dog died.
Since you so innocently asked, allow me to ruin a small part of your consciousness that didn't need the following description:
“During operation one, the skin from under his bellybutton was rolled together – like a Swiss roll – and stitched up again to make the main part of the penis. Then they cut skin from the sides of his stomach to cover the exposed flesh.
Operation two will create a urethra from skin on his right forearm. The third will connect the bladder to the urethra. The fourth will install the erectile device; a pump inserted into the shaft allowing him to attain an erection by using a prosthetic testicle to pump saline water from a bag in his stomach into the new penis.
And to further spoil your interweb surfing, here's what western civilisation has done to our girls, because, presumably, we aren't allowed to hurt anyone's feelings when teaching about real life and nature:
Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) is what Dr. Lisa Littman calls a “social contagion,” and it primarily impacts young girls. Just a short time ago, only .002 percent to .003 percent of girls in the U.S. identified as transgender. Now, it is up to 2 percent, and Shrier told me that she believes the rate has spiked by thousands of percentage points (in the UK, the number of girls identifying as trans has risen by over 4000 percent). Most trans-identified youth used to be males – that has reversed. In 2016, for example, girls accounted for 46 percent of sex reassignment surgeries in the U.S. One year later, that number had spiked to 70 percent.
Abigail Shrier wrote a good book on this and was, of course, banned from everywhere and labelled a satan type.Once a girl takes testosterone, whatever effects are non reversable. Ever.
All a girl needs to do to take testosterone is walk in to a transition clinic. In many jurisdictions. Walk in and they are able to bypass the parent's wishes and go straight to "rights" under the law of the state. Many regret stories out there. Sterilised 14 year olds who were encouraged to ruin themselves. People pretended a child was an adult - frightful situationCondolences for doggo...
Thanks for the rest of the post. Both fascinating and repulsive at once.
Anyways ...
Must say the more astute observers amount you may deduce that I may have been a little under the influence yesterday evening... no, seriously ...
... but I stand by my rants.
This is an issue that really irks me. It's just so wrong.
In the meantime my work has gone all woke.
Serves us right for buying into the US and then appointing a woke CEO.
Apparently we can put our pronouns in our email signature ... if we want.
Am not sure how this makes us better Engineers.
Anyway I have ignored.
Am wondering how they would deal with people like me (white, middle class, middle aged, cis (Good God I hate that word), heterosexual, male) being seriously offended by his crap.
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@booboo said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@siam said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@booboo said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@kiwiwomble said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
@taniwharugby my understanding is the individual has transitions from female to male and is now using male pronouns hence why referring to him as a "she" was the bad thing
This is not physically possibly.
Sorry for the cricket thing mate. You were right. Dog died.
Since you so innocently asked, allow me to ruin a small part of your consciousness that didn't need the following description:
“During operation one, the skin from under his bellybutton was rolled together – like a Swiss roll – and stitched up again to make the main part of the penis. Then they cut skin from the sides of his stomach to cover the exposed flesh.
Operation two will create a urethra from skin on his right forearm. The third will connect the bladder to the urethra. The fourth will install the erectile device; a pump inserted into the shaft allowing him to attain an erection by using a prosthetic testicle to pump saline water from a bag in his stomach into the new penis.
And to further spoil your interweb surfing, here's what western civilisation has done to our girls, because, presumably, we aren't allowed to hurt anyone's feelings when teaching about real life and nature:
Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) is what Dr. Lisa Littman calls a “social contagion,” and it primarily impacts young girls. Just a short time ago, only .002 percent to .003 percent of girls in the U.S. identified as transgender. Now, it is up to 2 percent, and Shrier told me that she believes the rate has spiked by thousands of percentage points (in the UK, the number of girls identifying as trans has risen by over 4000 percent). Most trans-identified youth used to be males – that has reversed. In 2016, for example, girls accounted for 46 percent of sex reassignment surgeries in the U.S. One year later, that number had spiked to 70 percent.
Abigail Shrier wrote a good book on this and was, of course, banned from everywhere and labelled a satan type.Once a girl takes testosterone, whatever effects are non reversable. Ever.
All a girl needs to do to take testosterone is walk in to a transition clinic. In many jurisdictions. Walk in and they are able to bypass the parent's wishes and go straight to "rights" under the law of the state. Many regret stories out there. Sterilised 14 year olds who were encouraged to ruin themselves. People pretended a child was an adult - frightful situation
.Am wondering how they would deal with people like me (white, middle class, middle aged, cis (Good God I hate that word), heterosexual, male) being seriously offended by his crap.
There is no evidence or anecdotes that this goes well for the complainer. Never have I heard of a company policy change. Many times I've heard people getting squeezed out, or at least severely dissatisfied at subsequent treatment.
I know you're being flippant but we're discussing a false premise deciding your job security, so I don't know how serious to be. I chose very serious 🙂
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@majorrage said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
Someone with bigger balls than me can get into the aviation industry if they wish ....
Old saying - If you want to make a small fortune out of aviation, start with a large one (probably been used elsewhere too).
@majorrage said in Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she":
I'm more than prepared to never fly United again!
There are so many reasons to make that happen, not just the above wokeness.
Canadian father jailed for calling his daughter "she"