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@raznomore said in NZ Politics:
What's everyone's take on Cindy's Dawn Raid apology?
Don't let the fact I am a second gen NZ Samoan stop your honesty.
I think they are brilliant at finding issues which score them points and cost them nothing.
I don't think she or any of her PR staff gives a shit about the issue itself, but it may also make some people feel better.
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@raznomore said in NZ Politics:
What's everyone's take on Cindy's Dawn Raid apology?
Don't let the fact I am a second gen NZ Samoan stop your honesty.
I hadn't even heard of them until recently I am sorry to say. Certainly a dark period in the nation's history, and not the first time that a minority ethnic group have been discriminated against
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@gt12 said in NZ Politics:
@raznomore said in NZ Politics:
What's everyone's take on Cindy's Dawn Raid apology?
Don't let the fact I am a second gen NZ Samoan stop your honesty.
I think they are brilliant at finding issues which score them points and cost them nothing.
I don't think she or any of her PR staff gives a shit about the issue itself, but it may also make some people feel better.
First sentence - agree
Second - disagree - I have no doubt they are genuinely held beliefs, and honest regret for what occurred.
@raznomore what's your take? You were very quiet on it in your post...
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Irrespective of motive. The chance to make an apology so past deeds don't linger as a bad smell is good IMO.
This is one of the good points about our political system. We can swing each way to get things done that the other party wouldn't touch then vice-versa. We aren't as entrenched as say the US.
I am currently working in an area that has needed change for years and that change is only being supported due to a double term Labour and their ideals being a better match.I am sure that there are other changes needed out there that are biding time for a second term National govt to take its turn.
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I was in Te Papa a few months ago. Part of an exhibit at the time was some wooden flooring from Western Springs college with some graffiti on it. From Dawn Raids era when inspectors would visit school, the school PA system would send out warning and PI students with dodgy immigration status were hidden under this flooring. As they were waiting it out some wrote on the wood.
Very moving actually, made my eyes a bit blurry.
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@nzzp my own family was subjected to it although my dad was born here. I wasn't born yet but across the wider family it's a very sore point and there is long standing mistrust of government and police.
I don't doubt many people will appreciate the sentiment but its not really doing anything. It's just point scoring imo. It's not something where restitution would or should be paid out. So as mentioned it's a bit of posturing that costs the government nothing.
What probably gets me going though is there crowd out there saying it was justified. The overstayers at the time were mostly Amercian, English and Australians. But because of public perception and high incidence of crime within the PI community they were unfairly targeted. It's that type of opinion that "they deserved it" still held today that infuriates me. Yes they were over stayers and yes they needed to be weeded out but its the double standard these people were subjected to. Maori being stopped in the street etc.
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@raznomore said in NZ Politics:
What's everyone's take on Cindy's Dawn Raid apology?
Don't let the fact I am a second gen NZ Samoan stop your honesty.
Government optics purely inline with Jacinda's approach of running the country. Always make the decisions for your own PR purposes.
I can't comment on if it will achieve anything for the greater Pasifika people, but my (limited) understanding of what happened here does tell me that it's perhaps something that was long overdue. Dawn raids against a specific race of people is truly shocking. As you mention, the longstanding effects of these (mistrust of government / police) affect everybody.
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@no-quarter said in NZ Politics:
Look at this fucking idiot completely unable to define the hate speech laws he wants to pass. You'd think he would reflect after the interview and realise how ridiculous it is but that's probably asking too much.
Don't be silly, laws don't define what is and is not legal.
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Has anybody submitted a response to the proposed "Incitement of Hatred" legislation? If you want to the link below is where you will find the papers and the submission questions / survey.
Im not a fan of how they have presented the questions. In some cases the "Yes/No/Unsure" format along with the wording of the questions precludes the option that the status quo doesn't need changing. It results in a "have you stopped stealing from your workplace" style question. I doubt it was done by accident.
For example "are the proposed changes insufficient to protect...": Yes, No, Don't Know. It enables them to conclude that the changes are either inadequate so should go even further (Yes), adequate so should go ahead as is (No), or I'm confused so ignore me (Don't Know). No option is provided for "I don't think any changes are necessary".
Politicians are just the worst.
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@antipodean said in NZ Politics:
Actually a good investment if you want effective use of taxes. Equates to around 15 prison years or actually much less if you count public defence, probation, reintegration etc.
Trials prove an ability to curtail re-offending, so anything over 5 crims put straight starts to add up as a good return.Not saying that is is more 'valuable' than the other options displayed just that it is financially sound.
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@crucial Bollocks. It only makes financial sense if it actually works.
Around here everybody knows the leader has a reputation as a user himself. I have no problem funding rehab / counselling programs but this isn't one. It's a rort run by unqualified criminals. At the same time there are any number of services here in the Bay that can't get their legitimate services funded. Full disclosure: Mrs JC works for a rehab. Turns out she would be better off being a patched thug.
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@crucial Bollocks. It only makes financial sense if it actually works.
Around here everybody knows the leader has a reputation as a user himself. I have no problem funding rehab / counselling programs but this isn't one. It's a rort run by unqualified criminals. At the same time there are any number of services here in the Bay that can't get their legitimate services funded. Full disclosure: Mrs JC works for a rehab. Turns out she would be better off being a patched thug.
I do wonder if there is any line Jacinda could cross that Crucial wouldn’t defend? This is a no brainer pork barrel cronyism scam.
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@jc said in NZ Politics:
@crucial Bollocks. It only makes financial sense if it actually works.
Around here everybody knows the leader has a reputation as a user himself. I have no problem funding rehab / counselling programs but this isn't one. It's a rort run by unqualified criminals. At the same time there are any number of services here in the Bay that can't get their legitimate services funded. Full disclosure: Mrs JC works for a rehab. Turns out she would be better off being a patched thug.
The funding for things like this is actually very hard to get and has to pass quite a high bar through joint agencies for anyone to stick their neck out and support it to a minister.. The implication that it is merely a political stunt is way off the mark. If anything, those that hold the purse strings are very politically risk averse.
Fact is that certain individuals don't respond to the majority of rehab programmes so you need something that works for them or they just turn around and cost everyone more pain and cost.
The funding is performance based as well and has to be justified and audited. Money is not just 'given'.
It is also possible that your 'any number of services' aren't achieving bang for buck or are all competing with each other for the same group.
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