Coronavirus - Overall
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
BBC segment on right now explaining that some countries which have pursued an elimination strategy will now pursue a ‘live with the virus’ strategy. Countries mentioned were Singapore, Taiwan, NZ, and Australia.
Anyone heard anything about this? Jacinda’s overstuffed PR team will be working hard on that one.
the swing in messaging is going to have to be extreme
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It's been pretty clear for a while now imo that we are going to be living with the virus rather than fully wiping it out. With the new variants and up/down nature of the 'fight' against Covid globally its pretty clear the only way to eliminate it is to not rejoin the global community - which is not viable at all.
It's like being the motivated person in a big team project. We can (have) smash our part out and do a great job, but the ultimate result is down to how the whole group has gone. Given we are talking about a global community project I think our A mark is going to be dragged down somewhat -
@paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
our A mark is going to be dragged down somewha
that was all bullshit anyway. Taking credit for geography is retarded.
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@mariner4life who is denying that the geography made things easier or amplified the success of the travel/lockdown approaches?
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@paekakboyz said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mariner4life who is denying that the geography made things easier or amplified the success of the travel/lockdown approaches?
i don't really understand the question
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
BBC segment on right now explaining that some countries which have pursued an elimination strategy will now pursue a ‘live with the virus’ strategy. Countries mentioned were Singapore, Taiwan, NZ, and Australia.
Anyone heard anything about this? Jacinda’s overstuffed PR team will be working hard on that one.
Nothing new from NZ. They have said, months ago, that NZ will change from elimination strategy as they re-open after vaccination role out reaches x point. That was the first softening up from the elimination strategy comms from the government, haven't said much on it since then - that I have seen.
NZ Vaccination has only reached 10% 1 dose, 5% fully vaccianated. So, I'd say start of a (deliberate) live with it strategy is still 6 months away, at least.
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@gt12 said in Coronavirus - Overall:
BBC segment on right now explaining that some countries which have pursued an elimination strategy will now pursue a ‘live with the virus’ strategy. Countries mentioned were Singapore, Taiwan, NZ, and Australia.
Anyone heard anything about this? Jacinda’s overstuffed PR team will be working hard on that one.
Well the options are live with it, or keep the borders shut permanently.
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On India.
As it is so big, and relatively 'un-documented', it will be the snippets of info from various states or other institutions that give a glimpse at how bad it may have truely been.
Madhya-Pradesh state released official data on all-cause mortality. Mortality up 3 times on normal levels during April and May. (It has a population of 73 million)
The news cycle seemed to move on, and the nationwide official numbers have come down (and no doubting the official numbers in terms of showing the trends), but it seems to have only really been northern Indian states & cities with the acute wave? So, I don't think the reports that extrapolate the numbers accross the entire country will end up being accurate. It will be somewhere in the middle.
Officially, Madhya Pradesh reported just 4,461 Covid deaths between January 1 and May 31, 2021. The excess deaths seen in the same period are 42 times the reported Covid death toll, yet it isn’t possible to attribute the entire excess death toll to Covid. States across the country including Madhya Pradesh witnessed significant disruptions to routine health services when the second wave hit, activists say.
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Yeah, so googled Southern India covid wave
and most recent news article titled : India’s southern states show resilience amid Covid catastrophe
Article is not pay-walled, btw.
But in summary - way more hospital beds per capita in south.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
First Trevor Noah and now this. He certainly knows how to destroy a legacy.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
First Trevor Noah and now this. He certainly knows how to destroy a legacy.
Yep.
Edit: I wrote that halfway through the video.
Holy shit.... he's gone cocaine and crazy.
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Interesting to hear Singapore seriously and publicly talking about living with Covid. Pretty much changing to endemic rather than pandemic. No reporting of case numbers, no border controls, no quarantine. Get people vaccinated and live with it.
Stark contrast to Australasia that seek convinced this is a thing you can wait out and it will magically disappear.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Interesting to hear Singapore seriously and publicly talking about living with Covid. Pretty much changing to endemic rather than pandemic. No reporting of case numbers, no border controls, no quarantine. Get people vaccinated and live with it.
Stark contrast to Australasia that seek convinced this is a thing you can wait out and it will magically disappear.
We'll have vaccine passports soon and will be able to go everywhere except home.
After bitching for a long time about how shit Japan has been, things are suddenly changing on the vaccine front - all around me everyone is getting their vouchers and there are hundreds of places where you can get your shot.
I'll get mine on July 6th (if not before, I'm on the left-over list too) and even if I didn't my wife's work is putting them on for employees and family, starting early August.
They might even just about get away with holding the Olympics and not starting a huge bubble - although we are still getting about 500 cases a day in Tokyo so I'll be shocked if we don' have a sudden surge.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
First Trevor Noah and now this. He certainly knows how to destroy a legacy.
Sorry, what do you mean? That he floated the idea the Covid began in a lab in China?
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@mariner4life surely this event in Wellington leans toward the vaccines reducing the infectiousness of the virus, particularly if this was the delta variant (has that been confirmed yet?)
I mean this dude has gone to so many places where transmission was very likely and so far seems nz has dodged another bullet, we can't be this lucky.
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@taniwharugby yep, this one was confirmed as a delta case.
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@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
First Trevor Noah and now this. He certainly knows how to destroy a legacy.
Sorry, what do you mean? That he floated the idea the Covid began in a lab in China?
HIs anti-science rant.