Coronavirus - UK
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@mikethesnow Is that news or just a factual account of somebody's day?
She's right though. It's disgraceful that her considerations weren't taken into account when working out the logistics of vaccinating 70 million people. Twice. Disgraceful lack of government support.
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@mikethesnow Just noticed the best part. It took two people to write that story.
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
Yes it is. There are suggestions for vaccine compliance to travel interstate.
Also the emphasis is on the social reasons for vaccinations far outweighing the health ones - a common phenomenonon this board alone. My quote comes in response to a poster who already had covid and now was vaccinated to aid travel.
There's a context at play here.
But maybe I've missed something. Before covid, exactly what travel was banned without an appropriate vaccination? And how widespread was that restriction of travel due to being unvaccinated?
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
Yes it is. There are suggestions for vaccine compliance to travel interstate.
Also the emphasis is on the social reasons for vaccinations far outweighing the health ones - a common phenomenonon this board alone. My quote comes in response to a poster who already had covid and now was vaccinated to aid travel.
There's a context at play here.
But maybe I've missed something. Before covid, exactly what travel was banned without an appropriate vaccination? And how widespread was that restriction of travel due to being unvaccinated?
The one question that you've missed off there though is how widespread and infectious are the other diseases or viruses that such vaccines apply to.
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@catogrande sure mate, but I was replying to "that's not unusual "
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow Is that news or just a factual account of somebody's day?
She's right though. It's disgraceful that her considerations weren't taken into account when working out the logistics of vaccinating 70 million people. Twice. Disgraceful lack of government support.
First world problems
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
Incredible state of affairs really. Voluntarily infecting myself with a virus just to travel
Ahh, that's not unusual.
Yes it is. There are suggestions for vaccine compliance to travel interstate.
I'm not talking about domestic. Examples like yellow fever and meningococcal.
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@antipodean yes, and I'm talking about people with natural immunity to a coronavirus taking a vaccine for non health related reasons.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
@sparky said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow Being really crap at quarantine and securing the borders has been the UK government's biggest failure in 2021.
Leaky Borders
Since March 2020But closing the borders to people who might be infected would have been racist or anti-EU
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande sure mate, but I was replying to "that's not unusual "
This vaccine is 6 months oldInteresting discussion on Radio 4 this AM on planning booster jabs in Q4 of this year.
Work underway on possibility of combining seasonal Flu jabs with updated vaccines to combat new variants.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
@catogrande sure mate, but I was replying to "that's not unusual "
This vaccine is 6 months oldInteresting discussion on Radio 4 this AM on planning booster jabs in Q4 of this year.
Work underway on possibility of combining seasonal Flu jabs with updated vaccines to combat new variants.
Waste of money surely since flu has been eradicated in the UK?
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Waste of money surely since flu has been eradicated in the UK?
Flu kills about 20-25k people per year apparently, which is why we have the flu jab for oldies I guess. The flu vaccine changes every year as the flu virus mutates.
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@victor-meldrew any push bach on the long term testing ( or lack there of) of these vaccines?
Just asking about the discussion, not insinuating.
I know it's an emergency situation but historical 2 year minimum testing protocols have been discarded for covid vaccines. First time since protocols were updated because of thalidomide.
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@victor-meldrew said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Waste of money surely since flu has been eradicated in the UK?
Flu kills about 20-25k people per year apparently, which is why we have the flu jab for oldies I guess. The flu vaccine changes every year as the flu virus mutates.
With no flu in the southern hemisphere last winter, NZ had excess deaths of negative 1500 apporx. So 1500 extra lives.
UK has 67m, NZ 5 m. So multiply 1500 by 13.4 = 20,100.
Bang on.
As an aside, no flu this winter either in SH probably. We (NZ) are going to get an excess death 'bump' of 3k approx next year when borders (scheduled to) re-open regardless of covid.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
@rapido borders won’t reopen.
Australasia has trapped itself in its own smug
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@siam said in Coronavirus - UK:
I know it's an emergency situation but historical 2 year minimum testing protocols have been discarded for covid vaccines. . First time since protocols were updated because of thalidomide.
Seems the protocols weren't changed, just done more efficiently and with greater priority.
How was it developed so quickly? Because of the global emergency, developing this vaccine has been prioritised by scientists, drug companies and governments, and a huge amount of collaboration has helped this to happen as fast as possible. The vaccines that have been developed have all been through the same amount of testing and safety processes as other vaccines. Any vaccine that is approved will still have been rigorously tested on tens of thousands of people. Before the pandemic even started, scientists had been planning for an outbreak of a new disease and thinking about how a vaccine could be developed as quickly as possible. It helped that Covid-19 is caused by a coronavirus (like SARS) so scientists already knew about how coronaviruses work, including the “spikes” on the surface which can be used to trigger a reaction from the immune system. Vaccine technology has also improved in recent years. Some of the processes which are usually involved in scientific research have been speeded up so that the vaccine can be available more quickly. For example, trial participants were recruited whilst the study was still being set up, so that they were ready to start as soon as the research was approved. All the usual phases have been gone through, but without waiting between them, and once the initial safety trials were finished, some of the later trials were run at the same time rather than one after the other. Drug companies also decided to start producing the vaccines on a large scale whilst the trials were still happening. That brought them the risk that they would have to destroy them if the vaccine wasn't approved, but means they are ready to be distributed much more quickly. The approval by the MHRA has also been quicker than usual because it was conducting reviews as new evidence became available. The MHRA has also said its staff have been working “round the clock” to assess the vaccine. There has been a strong commitment from regulators to make sure that the vaccine has been assessed as carefully as possible, in order to prioritise public safety, while also working quickly.