Coronavirus - Overall
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Pfizer two jabs
Slight ache in shoulder both times, like a decent set of reps in the gym -
@frank said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Can a few people post if they had any side effects (aches, fever, chills, tiredness) from the vaccine they took?
Or even say if they had no side effects at all.My school in Taiwan has organized for us to take Astra Zeneca in two days. (no Pfizer or Moderna available here for a few months). I will be taking it, but do admit to being a little unhappy about the (probability/possibility) of feeling under the weather for a few days. Just wondering about other people's experience.
Cheers.
Posted my story in the Australia thread, but happy to repeat. Minor effect which was an inconvenience.
Had my first jab about 9am (actual jab was 100% painless - not even a pin prick), started feeling a bit feverish (too hot/too cold), with bit of a headache about midnight. Lasted until morning (should have got up and had a panadol ... but lazy).
Pretty much 100% by 8ish next morning, but really tired, had a nap at one stage ... waste of a good wicket taker ... but I think that was due to lack of overnight sleep - an indirect effect rather than directly caused by the vax I think. Took the day off but could have made it to work if a I had to.
Arm felt a bit bruised.
Second jab: no effect whatsoever. Not even sore arm. Bit pissed off as was looking for another sickie.
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So we have heard the talk about herd immunity for a while now, and given we are 18+ months down the track of covid.
Surely there is enough evidence about in regard to being more/less susceptible to a second (or more) infection, does the effects reduce/increase on the additional infection?
And then what about those who have had it and been vaccinated?
I mean early on Sweden copped alot of shit over the way they handled things, yet looking at figures, thier infection rates are still low and are having days of no deaths (I assume they haven't changed thier stance and had lovkdowns)
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - Overall:
lovkdowns
if that is deliberate, then it's a piece of genius
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@mariner4life ov course it was, you have seen enough of my posts over the years to know how genius I is!
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You achieve herd immunity either in the natural way by enough people catching the virus and surviving or via vaccination coupled with natural selection. With a virus that is as transmissible as this natural selection would be a disastrous route. From what I gather the Swedish approach was less about achieving natural herd immunity but more that lockdowns were an unnecessary restriction. As a comparison to Sweden’s two close neighbours, Finland has had around 18k infections per 1M of population, Norway has had around 24k per 1M and Sweden has had over 108k per 1M.
That leaves them 12th on the table of infections per 1M of population, though if you take out countries that have less than 2M in population as being outliers then Sweden is 4th.
I don’t see their approach as being particularly successful so far.
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@catogrande oh I wasnt meaning thiers was great/bad, but wasnt thiers more a personal responsibility one as opposed to here are the rules (regardless of how strict/loose lockdowns were)
Even so, still must be enough data out there in the world now of multiple infected persons and vaccinated ones, although I suppose many countries have been struggling to keep thier heads above water let alone supply all sorts of data?
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I don't think we will ever really know what approach was best or should I say least worse, there are too many factors at play and of course it is still way too early to make any conclusions.
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@catogrande just look at Fiji, where they have basically let everyone do what they want.
Yeah on one hand you can say NZ did a great job, but flip it over and those of us living here can still see the tunnel is blocked at the other end with no idea what is on the other side or when they will see some light.
My main point though, was more wondering if there is data for those who have had covid (given the prior talk of herd immunity, that as you say, is achieved 2 ways) and is there been much evidence around those who have already had it and thier immune response, and if there is, surely having the vaccine improves it further.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Analysis of India's excess mortality rates suggests India has suffered over 4 million COVID deaths!
Yep, up to a factor of 10 underreported.
But this number was derived by modelling.
And we all know how accurate Covid modelling has been.
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Analysis of India's excess mortality rates suggests India has suffered over 4 million COVID deaths!
Yep, up to a factor of 10 underreported.
But this number was derived by modelling.
And we all know how accurate Covid modelling has been.
Yes but there comes a time when modelling does tell you the picture, even if that is a bit blurry - ie even if the modelling is 50% out of whack that is either 2 million or 6 million deaths. Just huge numbers.
A bit like a convo I had with a GP about BMI as a measurement for obesity and I trotted out the usual, "Steve Redgrave was morbidly obese as measured by his BMI and he did't do too bad". His reply was that to use BMI on an individual or a certain sub section such as Olympic athletes or rugby players was useless but when applied to society as a whole or geographically, demographically etc it was a very useful barometer.
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@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A bit like a convo I had with a GP about BMI as a measurement for obesity and I trotted out the usual, "Steve Redgrave was morbidly obese as measured by his BMI and he did't do too bad". His reply was that to use BMI on an individual or a certain sub section such as Olympic athletes or rugby players was useless but when applied to society as a whole or geographically, demographically etc it was a very useful barometer.
This is the correct answer.
So all these shitty 'calculate your BMI' tools can be super misleading.
That said, it's typically a good indicator for people. Very few of us are elite athletes (unless Keyboard Warrior counts)
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A bit like a convo I had with a GP about BMI as a measurement for obesity and I trotted out the usual, "Steve Redgrave was morbidly obese as measured by his BMI and he did't do too bad". His reply was that to use BMI on an individual or a certain sub section such as Olympic athletes or rugby players was useless but when applied to society as a whole or geographically, demographically etc it was a very useful barometer.
This is the correct answer.
So all these shitty 'calculate your BMI' tools can be super misleading.
That said, it's typically a good indicator for people. Very few of us are elite athletes (unless Keyboard Warrior counts)
Unfortunately not in my case.
BMI in itself is a raw number.
Put BMI with % body fat ...
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - Overall:
@catogrande said in Coronavirus - Overall:
A bit like a convo I had with a GP about BMI as a measurement for obesity and I trotted out the usual, "Steve Redgrave was morbidly obese as measured by his BMI and he did't do too bad". His reply was that to use BMI on an individual or a certain sub section such as Olympic athletes or rugby players was useless but when applied to society as a whole or geographically, demographically etc it was a very useful barometer.
This is the correct answer.
So all these shitty 'calculate your BMI' tools can be super misleading.
That said, it's typically a good indicator for people. Very few of us are elite athletes (unless Keyboard Warrior counts)
Unfortunately not in my case.
BMI in itself is a raw number.
Put BMI with % body fat ...
Iiiiin one!
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Overall:
Analysis of India's excess mortality rates suggests India has suffered over 4 million COVID deaths!
Per capita, this number (x 10) would put India about same as Hungary, Bosnia, Czech Rep etc. at about 3000 per million. Plausible.