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bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
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@sparky said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Fuckers that did this shit need to go to prison for a very long time as a punishment for what they did and as a warning to other young fluffybunnies out there.
Except that it seems it wouldn't be a deterrent and teens don't see consequences. Well that was the reasoning for dropping life sentences for juveniles in the US, although it's since been reversed.
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@sparky said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
One suspect still on the run, but I suspect the other two will rat him out.
Seriously impressed with Toutai Kefu's actions here. Hero!
Absolutely although I think we’d all get pretty feral if our families were threatened in the middle of the night in a home invasion.
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@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
Nuts can be used for kicking practice.
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@pakman said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
Nuts can be used for kicking practice.
world rugby law variation: rucking is now acceptable in certain obvious circumstances...
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@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@pakman said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
Nuts can be used for kicking practice.
world rugby law variation: rucking is now acceptable in certain obvious circumstances...
Wayne Shalford to give a demonstration.
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@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@sparky said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
One suspect still on the run, but I suspect the other two will rat him out.
Seriously impressed with Toutai Kefu's actions here. Hero!
Absolutely although I think we’d all get pretty feral if our families were threatened in the middle of the night in a home invasion.
im always afraid if put in the same situation id actually chicken out so i 100% respect Kefu for walking the walk
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@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@mn5 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@sparky said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
One suspect still on the run, but I suspect the other two will rat him out.
Seriously impressed with Toutai Kefu's actions here. Hero!
Absolutely although I think we’d all get pretty feral if our families were threatened in the middle of the night in a home invasion.
im always afraid if put in the same situation id actually chicken out so i 100% respect Kefu for walking the walk
Well luckily we live in a civilised society and this stuff is pretty rare for most people.
Without putting Kefu on a pedestal as some unstoppable fighting machine you’d have to imagine a sizeable former international rugby forward of Tongan descent would be pretty low on the “list of people to fuck with” though.
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@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
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@sparky said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Fuckers that did this shit need to go to prison for a very long time as a punishment for what they did and as a warning to other young fluffybunnies out there.
I'm sure the whole Rugby family is thinking of Kefu and his family and hoping he pulls through. Proud that he defended his family against these tossers.
I'm the total opposite of a hang 'em and flog 'em believer, but in cases like these, I'll make an exception...
Just hope he and his family pull thru OK.
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@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
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@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
Speaking from New Zealand perspective - the curfew to a juvie offender is about as useful as a the proverbial on a bull. They often come from homes where there is no respect for rule of law, or parents are out doing the same thing - so they just go out and do it over again. The threshold for having a juvie remanded in custody is incredibly high when it is for volume crime offences (burgs, car thefts etc). I'm hearing from cops here that since the NZ Police announced they won't be pursuing vehicles, the number of juvies stealing cars and doing "adult crimes" such as ram raids and agg robberies has sky rocketed, because they know they're untouchable.
When I was brand new in the CIB, we dealt with a home invasion where a bunch of juvies burgled a house in an upmarket area, were disturbed by the occupants and then beat the shit out of them with sports equipment found at the scene and weapons they had brought with them. They were so arrogant they weren't even wearing gloves or anything - the offenders were ID'd by fingerprints left in blood on the walls of the property. The victims were lucky not to die, but part of me thinks it might have been preferable, given the severity of some of their life-long injuries.
The punishment very rarely comes close to fitting the crime in these sorts of cases when it involves young people. Aside from the physical injuries his family has suffered, they will likely suffer long-term anxiety in regards to their personal safety, the sanctity of their house, and their trusting of strangers. Often that can last long after the physical injuries have healed.
Like everyone else, obviously hoping Kefu and his family pull through this.
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Common sentiment obviously, but this kind of juvenile offending makes my blood boil.
What about an ankle bracelet for the next 20 years? It ain't prison, they get a chance to see how happy they could be if they worked on their lives, but they get zero leash to go out and do the same thing again. Only allowed at work or at home, or at a decent detention centre if there's no suitable home. Teach them that hard work can be learnt, and will bring far more success and happiness than spending the entirety of their time harming other people.
Also flick em in the clink for life if they reoffend or try and tamper with the bracelet.Might be a shit idea, but nothings working atm.
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@antipodean said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@rancid-schnitzel said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@kiwiwomble said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
bundle these pricks up and take them down the local rugby club as a tackle bag, there would be a que out the door
If only that were possible. I suspect it will be a slap on the wrist and a solemn promise not to do it again. Thank you civil libertarians. Doesn't matter about the lives scum like this destroy, apparently the most important thing is their rights.
Interesting to read that they were on parole with a curfew.
That certainly taught them a lesson. I'm blown away that didn't have the desired effect. It might be tempting to blame the parents but unfortunately I can speak from experience that there is sweet fa they can do.
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Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
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Terrible news just around the Road from where I live.I hope they crucify these little shits,Although if they go through the youth system.A slap on the wrist with a wet bus ticket probably.
Invade my house you little shits and you will lose your heads.No hesitation in protecting my family.
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@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
Yeah I genuinely don't know either. Those forced military and boot camps have been generally shown to be a disaster. I was reading an expose about one that was run on Waiheke twenty or so years ago where boys were being sexually assaulted, beaten within an inch of their lives, told to dig their own graves etc. They came back angrier at the world than when they left. Likewise, teaching an angry teenager how to fire weapons and get strong and good at hand to hand combat comes with its own risks as well.
I get the premised behind it on how you should always try to rehabilitate a young offender before throwing them in the can, where they just get angrier and better connected - but the reality is, there is a certain percentage of the youth population who just won't abide by society's norms and who therefore the public deserve to be protected from. I remember one prolific juvenile offender who we had a circle on the muster room calendar for his 17th birthday, because then we could start locking him up as a matter of course when he got picked up doing crime (CYP law means you can only arrest a juvie in real narrow circumstances)
I'd like to see a greater use of electronically monitored bail for juvies. Often they get put with an extended family member (such as grandma) who either lies for them or is simply incapable of controlling them. The reality is that Police resources are incredibly stretched, so these guys might get check bail checked three times a week (there can be up to 100 people on curfew related bail in any one policing area). Or else, we used to hear stories of guys going out immediately after being checked, knowing the cops are unlikely to check them twice in an evening. EM bail would stop this because the flag would go up as soon as they left.
I understand EM bail is quite pricey and resource intensive, but it's gotta be better than the social cost innocent people being repeatedly victimised, hurt or killed by kids joyriding in stolen cars.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
@gt12 said in Toutai Kefu attacked, in hospital:
Welcome back mate - fucking depressing post though.
What type of punishments might help? I have no idea, but would a return to forced military service or some of the older punishments would be of help?
Yeah I genuinely don't know either. Those forced military and boot camps have been generally shown to be a disaster. I was reading an expose about one that was run on Waiheke twenty or so years ago where boys were being sexually assaulted, beaten within an inch of their lives, told to dig their own graves etc. They came back angrier at the world than when they left. Likewise, teaching an angry teenager how to fire weapons and get strong and good at hand to hand combat comes with its own risks as well.
I get the premised behind it on how you should always try to rehabilitate a young offender before throwing them in the can, where they just get angrier and better connected - but the reality is, there is a certain percentage of the youth population who just won't abide by society's norms and who therefore the public deserve to be protected from. I remember one prolific juvenile offender who we had a circle on the muster room calendar for his 17th birthday, because then we could start locking him up as a matter of course when he got picked up doing crime (CYP law means you can only arrest a juvie in real narrow circumstances)
I'd like to see a greater use of electronically monitored bail for juvies. Often they get put with an extended family member (such as grandma) who either lies for them or is simply incapable of controlling them. The reality is that Police resources are incredibly stretched, so these guys might get check bail checked three times a week (there can be up to 100 people on curfew related bail in any one policing area). Or else, we used to hear stories of guys going out immediately after being checked, knowing the cops are unlikely to check them twice in an evening. EM bail would stop this because the flag would go up as soon as they left.
I understand EM bail is quite pricey and resource intensive, but it's gotta be better than the social cost innocent people being repeatedly victimised, hurt or killed by kids joyriding in stolen cars.
Speaking of things I’d be happy to have my tax dollars spent on.
Good post, thanks.
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