Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing. -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
Yeah, I still don't know where we are headed on this. If you look at the UK numbers they are still getting spread just not as bad an effect. We also haven't seen what happens when they come out of summer which will be the real test. At some point our health system has to be prepared to take this on the chin as a new illness to be dealt with. How we work out that tipping point is anyone's guess.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Get it done so this will hopefully be the last big lockdown for a long time
Yeah, I still don't know where we are headed on this. If you look at the UK numbers they are still getting spread just not as bad an effect. We also haven't seen what happens when they come out of summer which will be the real test. At some point our health system has to be prepared to take this on the chin as a new illness to be dealt with. How we work out that tipping point is anyone's guess.
The key is low hospitalisation rates. Then covid is just the flu for most. We should all expect to get it before too long. It is inevitable because it isn't leaving anytime soon
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Is there a breakdown of number of tests taken vs number of cases detected? Ideally the number of tests would be consistent, with cases dropping, but if less people are being tested then lower case numbers doesn't tell us much.
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I get that they don't want a message of 'we are running out' but why not just a truthful one of 'if we continue at this unexpected high rate due to unbooked vaccinations (which is good) we could get gaps in the supply chain. We have more than enough to meet the booked rollout and may have to manage some areas to just bookings until the big supply arrives in a couple of weeks.'
That's what Cindy was saying on National Radio earlier. Or it may have been Hipkins. Or even Verrall.
Unless I see their teeth I can't tell.
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@no-quarter not necessarily, we are now over 2 weeks since the original location of interest, 2 weeks into a strict lockdown, the vast majority of those already tested will have been over thier 2 tests and 14 day isolation, as will most of thier contacts, as people stop moving about then the contact points diminish too.
Initially we were getting people who were deemed close contacts (remember the way they viewed this changed considerably, bringing way more people into the frame) tested, plus those who werent at any location but werent feeling well were getting tested.
Now with the locations of interest dropping, and people in L4, then those potentially exposed should be dropping too.
Girl from my work was at Sky City 18 hours after the 'original case' was there, but she was considered a close contact and had to have 2 tests and isolate for 14 days, which ended on Sunday just gone.
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@donsteppa said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
takeaways at Level 3 tomorrow...
Oh fuck off.
I was grumpy anyway Don. Not personal, just hungry and getting sick of cooking. Two more bloody weeks - thanks George, for the saying.
Has anyone got any idea what I do about a moron old lady that works for me and won't get a jab? This woman flat out refuses, she isn't all that healthy and her partner is seriously sick with Parkinson's. She is likely to end up killing both of them (yes improvement in IQ all around) but she is actually good at her job and I don't want to lose her. Cant force her into it so WTF do you do? Can't fire her, can't hold back holiday pay, just fucking helpless.
Will add that she brings a shitload of knowledge and money to the business. Just a stubborn uneducated old cow. I'm so bloody angry.
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@snowy hard to know where to go with that. What pressure poijt can you use that hasn't worked?
You will possibly die? If you do your partner is farked without you?
You could get sick and give it to him and he'll die?
Do it for the team?Difficult
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@frank said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@stargazer said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
"If that demand could not be maintained, the “worst case scenario” would be to pull back to 350,000 doses a week, Ardern said.
“We are not running out of vaccine.”So you are running out of vaccine.
"We have record numbers of bookings" does not equal "We have administered record numbers of doses"
But there has been record doses administered. I don't know why they even have to mention bookings.
I don't have a degree in communications so I can't answer that
I can see a reason but not in the same breath as 'how many completed'. I think they are trying to show the undecided people that vast numbers are happy to go ahead. People do love to follow each other.
The less non-jabbed the better and if we can get it down to just those who can't for health reasons along with the misguided then that's a good thing.Would a deadline being given to the unjabbed that after x date, we are opening the borders, help them do it quicker (provided NZ has enough vaccine)?
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@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and farmer was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy hard to know where to go with that. What pressure poijt can you use that hasn't worked?
You will possibly die? If you do your partner is farked without you?
You could get sick and give it to him and he'll die?
Do it for the team?Difficult
Tried most of that unfortunately. No joy.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered...
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
Just called my Niece - employment lawyer. Without law change nought I can do, or they need to be "frontline" staff.
Virgin Aus have made it compulsory to be Vaxxed. I might need to change a few things....
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy it will be interesting to see what Worksafe think of it all, I mean if an employer fails to keep his staff safe and they get injured, you are in the shit, I saw a case recently where a Farmer failed to show/teach his employee to check tyre pressure on a quad bike, employee had a fall, injured and was fined and reparations ordered as tyres were under-inflated
what if you are anti-vax or dont think Covid is serious/real, get covid, pass to an unvaccinated employee at work, what would worksafe do then?
If the government can bend the rules and insist on all border workers being vaccinated, they should make it more widespread such is the threat to the economy and the country
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@snowy I saw something earlier in the week where they were saying employers may start asking candidates for a job for thier vaccination status, but I expect that will get stomped on pretty quick, I mean is an injection classed as a medical procedure, therefore possibly subject to privacy?
If we want our dog to go to Doggy daycare we have to prove he is vaccinated!