Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@smudge said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It’s what gets me about this situation, peoples empathy seems to have gone missing.
Someone on Twitter (seemed to be friendly with Red Beard) proclaimed they were happy for the borders to stay closed for years because, and I quote, "I did all my travelling in my 20s" so they didn't see the need to travel again.
> Small-minded, self-absorbed fuckwit.
You could have just said 'on Twitter'
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp She was laughing about, all adds to the ill feeling about it all.
in scandals, it's the coverup that gets you. Here, it's the lack of remorse I suspect. But it's another point where a few people will look at what happened, and how it gets reported, and scratch their heads. Feeds the narrative of a compliant, acquiescent media, whether that's real or not.
Separately, there's some high quality prepping going on; news articles suddnely in the last couple of days about un-linked cases, and now 'experts' holding forth on another week for Auckland at L4. I'll be astonished if the result this afternoon is anything but L4 for another week (and happy to be proved wrong on the bright side)
Another data point about how poor a politician Judith Collins is too. She had a slam dunk here and decided to add "fat" to her insult, instantly changed the story.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp She was laughing about, all adds to the ill feeling about it all.
in scandals, it's the coverup that gets you. Here, it's the lack of remorse I suspect. But it's another point where a few people will look at what happened, and how it gets reported, and scratch their heads. Feeds the narrative of a compliant, acquiescent media, whether that's real or not.
Separately, there's some high quality prepping going on; news articles suddnely in the last couple of days about un-linked cases, and now 'experts' holding forth on another week for Auckland at L4. I'll be astonished if the result this afternoon is anything but L4 for another week (and happy to be proved wrong on the bright side)
Another data point about how poor a politician Judith Collins is too. She had a slam dunk here and decided to add "fat" to her insult, instantly changed the story.
I wouldn't call it a slam dunk -- but yes, just stupid again. She has a phenomenal back story, but can't seem to get any traction with anyone but a few die hard Team Blue supporters. The Nats are having a major identity crisis, and she is not helping. God help us if they go back to Bridges - to go full circle in a year, at the cost of losing all the experience and the liberal wing of the caucus would be astonishing.
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@nzzp said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@smudge said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It’s what gets me about this situation, peoples empathy seems to have gone missing.
Someone on Twitter (seemed to be friendly with Red Beard) proclaimed they were happy for the borders to stay closed for years because, and I quote, "I did all my travelling in my 20s" so they didn't see the need to travel again.
> Small-minded, self-absorbed fuckwit.
You could have just said 'on Twitter'
I offer a much more friendly and open-minded Twitter account. Maybe with a little too much angst about Wellington buses, mind you.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@smudge goddammit, thats what happens when I go through Twitter before my morning coffee
I'm trying to find proof but it's taking me a while. It has been debunked though. I certainly don't believe in the 1pm podium presentations being the single source of truth but this kind of misinformation being spread by ne'er-do-well types is no good for anyone.
By ne'er-do-well types, I don't mean you...
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@smudge all good. Misinformation is a thing, but also so is the government dissembling. Not finding the current state of affairs great for my zen.
Might be time for a politics break again.
It will help when we can all leave the house and get back to our lives....
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@smudge all good. Misinformation is a thing, but also so is the government dissembling. Not finding the current state of affairs great for my zen.
Might be time for a politics break again.
I tried really hard this time around to not get too involved in the day to day details. It's really hard when it affects you, your family, and those around you though - and when you see things that look dodgy... and when there's not much live sport on
Against my better judgement I even commented on WilesGate FFS
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@smudge goddammit, thats what happens when I go through Twitter before my morning coffee
Should know better than to listen to someone who screen records a landscape video in portrait mode.
It doesn't help when it seems like basically nothing (except for vaccines) has changed since May 2020 though
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@smudge said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
It’s what gets me about this situation, peoples empathy seems to have gone missing.
Someone on Twitter (seemed to be friendly with Red Beard) proclaimed they were happy for the borders to stay closed for years because, and I quote, "I did all my travelling in my 20s" so they didn't see the need to travel again.
Small-minded, self-absorbed fuckwit.
I'm not a fan of Fortress NZ long term but international travel was not likely to be the same for some time, at least until Covid-19 variants eventually drop down to something more mild, and nobody is actually stopped from going on the standard 2-3 year OE - it's the return trip home and MIQ that's the bastard, not the leaving.
Carbon pricing and other similar Climate-related issues are likely to be longer-term problems with overseas travel, not Covid-19.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@nzzp I had pretty much stopped watching the news, only scanned headlines, but back into lockdown went back to being interested in the updates...now, scan headlines, back to avoiding our news.
I try not to watch the live updates. They are just slow, waffly, and the data comes out super fast on the Fern and other, less reliable news sources too
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@nzzp prime example was the night they made the announcement about going into lockdown last month...I was at the gym, at 6pm >30 people stopped and were watching the screen, by the time they made the announcement at about 6.20 we were going to L4 again, maybe 10 people were still watching.
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I think we should end elimination strategy now.
Ideally we would be ending it in about 2 or 3 months. But, stuff happens.
So, I've now transitioned from my elimination until vaccination standpoint. I think the time has now come.
I don't think Auckland should stay in lockdown, in order to eliminate something which seems a bit trickier than last time, just to then re-open (either voluntarily, or because of the next border leak) just a few months later. If you understand that "re-opening" will mean prolonged periods of level 2 and 3 restrictions as the exit curve(s) work through the population, much longer than our previous elimination experiences.
I think we will be exhausting peoples reserves, tolerance, patience, finances now - when there are some tougher months ahead we need to be up for.
For someone like me, outside of Auckland. The rumours of an almost constant level 2+ until at least christmas. I don't see the point.
The benefit of the elimination strategy has been that it is (usually) short and sharp and then back to normal life (so normal, that we complain about complacency). Complacency is the reward of elimination.
I'm ok with living in this level 2+ world for a prolonged period of time. That is for when the virus is here and we are dealing with it by slowing it, flattening the curve.
I'm not ok with living in a 4 months period of Level2+, with no local virus situation, just to provide the pre-conditions that re-elimination can be quickly achieved if needed.
I think we should be 'fast and early' on identifying our NSW moment.
Do we have enough vax coverage now in the vulnerable that we think we can be "she'll be right" as we race for the double dose coverage while the virus expands from what is currently a small base? -
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
So, I've now transitioned from my elimination until vaccination standpoint. I think the time has now come.
Can't see it happening to be fair. There's one shot at controlling Delta, and if that means 6-8 weeks of L4, I think the Govt will jump at it. Once you open up, I don't think you can go back to L4 for this.
We won't have everyone with the opportunity two doses for another 3-4 months, and for me that's a really key driver for this. If we can get Delta under control, then relaxing makes sense. If not, the consequences are still very high until everyone is vaccinated.
For me, what Delta has done is highlight that elimination is not a viable long term strategy. Otherwise you'll be into sudden lockdowns, over and over again, and if they become less effective (like this one has), you're lockign down for little return. That said, our health system won't cope with uncontrolled spreading, so I can see Level 2 or 1.5 being a 'thing' for six months or so. God help you if your business relies on crowds (sports, conferences, etc)
There isn't an easy answer here, but elimination is dead in the medium term.