Coronavirus - UK
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Here we fucking go
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - UK:
Anybody who thinks we won't face some winter restrictions this year / early next year is either naive or stupid.
I can't quite get my head around the numbers. Daily case numbers are massive although that by itself it not necessarily an issue if the approach is to live with it. Hospital admissions and deaths are obviously 'acceptable' at this stage although the %s are such that they wouldn't be in NZ (it would overwhelm or health system). To top this off it is all happening at the easy time of the year.
I get the 'live with it' approach and that the idea is to accept that COVID is another health issue that has to be dealt with like many others. It just still seems like the numbers of people that will need help are huge. -
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
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@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
What's their plan if evidence of vaccination is required for overseas travel? That's what vaccine passports originally were for after all, and are hardly an unknown quantity even leaving Covid-19 aside e.g. Yellow Fever.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
What's their plan if evidence of vaccination is required for overseas travel? That's what vaccine passports originally were for after all, and are hardly an unknown quantity even leaving Covid-19 aside e.g. Yellow Fever.
The article is talking about within England, e.g. to go to nightclubs or football matches.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
What's their plan if evidence of vaccination is required for overseas travel? That's what vaccine passports originally were for after all, and are hardly an unknown quantity even leaving Covid-19 aside e.g. Yellow Fever.
The article is talking about within England, e.g. to go to nightclubs or football matches.
Fair enough, but either they exist or they don't, and if they exist even for foreign travel, the option to use them for domestic purposes becomes available. Are they planning to ban that use entirely, or just leave decisions to private businesses?
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@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
What's their plan if evidence of vaccination is required for overseas travel? That's what vaccine passports originally were for after all, and are hardly an unknown quantity even leaving Covid-19 aside e.g. Yellow Fever.
The article is talking about within England, e.g. to go to nightclubs or football matches.
Fair enough, but either they exist or they don't, and if they exist even for foreign travel, the option to use them for domestic purposes becomes available. Are they planning to ban that use entirely, or just leave decisions to private businesses?
My suggestion is they do the latter. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with this as we do the flu.
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@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
What's their plan if evidence of vaccination is required for overseas travel? That's what vaccine passports originally were for after all, and are hardly an unknown quantity even leaving Covid-19 aside e.g. Yellow Fever.
The article is talking about within England, e.g. to go to nightclubs or football matches.
Fair enough, but either they exist or they don't, and if they exist even for foreign travel, the option to use them for domestic purposes becomes available. Are they planning to ban that use entirely, or just leave decisions to private businesses?
My suggestion is they do the latter. Sooner or later we're going to have to learn to live with this as we do the flu.
Sounds like that's where they are going. Denmark has already gone there, so there's company for it.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@antipodean said in Coronavirus - UK:
@godder said in Coronavirus - UK:
@mikethesnow said in Coronavirus - UK:
Government sees sense / writing on the wall
No vaccine passports for England. Fuck knows for Scotland, NI and Wales
What's their plan if evidence of vaccination is required for overseas travel? That's what vaccine passports originally were for after all, and are hardly an unknown quantity even leaving Covid-19 aside e.g. Yellow Fever.
The article is talking about within England, e.g. to go to nightclubs or football matches.
Fair enough, but either they exist or they don't, and if they exist even for foreign travel, the option to use them for domestic purposes becomes available. Are they planning to ban that use entirely, or just leave decisions to private businesses?
They already exist. The NHS app has both my covid jab records with batch numbers etc and QR codes. Within the app there are separate options for displaying your "domestic" or "travel" NHS Covid Pass
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Think it was more about the Government avoiding losing its footing on a very slippery slope.
Any half decent opposition could have made a case for vaccination without the necessity to ‘show your papers’ for everyday things.
Proof of vaccination to travel?
No problem, as has been mentioned it’s been around for generationsGoing to the pub, club, concert?
Vote loser big timeAs an aside, when I worked for one Australian owned company in Japan their policy was
Get free flu jab and be entitled to sick pay
Refuse free flu jab, no sick pay if you got ill -
Booster jabs to be rolled out next week in the UK in the same order as the vaccine roll-out.
Hardly a surprise - my health centre sent an email \bout this a month or so ago.
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@victor-meldrew only for you old bastards
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Chairman Mark introduces Vaccine Passport for Wales even though we’re 70% double jabbed; hospitalisations and deaths remain low; and we’re in Level Zero
Fuck off
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Do we know why AZ isn't being used a booster vaccine anyone? Can anyone explain it in RL friendly terms?
Also will the booster be more effective for those who had the same initial course. Eg Pfizer 1 +2 and booster vs AZ 1+2 and Pfizer booster.
I mean I hope they know as huge amounts of the elderly population were given AZ weren't they? -
@r-l
I would imagine it’s something to do with the scaling. AZ was a lot easier to transport and store, which would have been a factor in the initial roll out. Also AZ are under a lot of pressure to provide vaccines elsewhere so maybe availability comes into it?
Anyway, ask Bill Gates he will know.
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@r-l said in Coronavirus - UK:
Do we know why AZ isn't being used a booster vaccine anyone? Can anyone explain it in RL friendly terms?
Also will the booster be more effective for those who had the same initial course. Eg Pfizer 1 +2 and booster vs AZ 1+2 and Pfizer booster.
I mean I hope they know as huge amounts of the elderly population were given AZ weren't they?Looks like the AZ vaccine isn't as effective as the mRNA ones as a booster.
Professor Wei Shen Lim, chair of Covid-19 Immunisation for the JCVI, said the committee selected the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines because they use mRNA technologies, which he claimed provided “a very good immune boost” in studies. There is understood to be more available scientific evidence about the long-term efficacy of mRNA jabs over other vaccines. The JCVI cited data from the Cov-Boost trial published last week by University Hospital Southampton, which indicated that the Pfizer vaccine is well-tolerated as a third dose among patients and provides a strong booster response. It added that the Moderna vaccine should be offered as a half-dose, after data from the Cov-Boost study suggested a full dose of the jab was unnecessary for comprehensive protection.
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@victor-meldrew Plus the chipset in AZ isn't forward compatible with Windows 11
Seriously though, they are starting to trial an improved AZ booster shot here as well.
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So the Senedd (Welsh Parliament) has voted in a Covid Passport system.
Those in favour won by 1 vote.
A Tory Minister was at the Tory Party Conference in Manchester and was unable to vote via zoom.
If he had been there would have been a stalemate.
I’m fucking livid.
Firstly at the incompetence of the Tory Senedd Member who chose to go to the conference and who subsequently couldn’t log in to vote
Either he should have been there in person or been able to vote by proxy.
If he’d voted then it would have been stalemate
But he knew the rules and fucked up and should be shit canned IMHO
Secondly, the smirk on Drakeford’s face through the whole episode was very disappointing, almost insidious.
And thirdly, I don’t understand why if you’re double jabbed you need to worry / give a shit about coming in to contact with someone who isn’t.
If they get ill because of you then quite frankly fuck them.
Welsh Labour acting more like the Communist Party
fluffybunnies
How they’re going to get 75,000 through the turnstiles for the NZ match is beyond me.
All I know is I’m going very early to avoid disappointment
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If you’re looking to avoid disappointment you’ll probably need to leave early too mate. 😎