Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
The government giving a leg up to two massive corporations is just corrupt
the wealth redistribution over the past 18 months has been so large as to almost be unfathomable.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Obviously I know it's significantly more complex given the nature of supply chains, but seems a real shame that there weren't ways that things like mills could keep running to address the dire timber shortages.
Forgot this bit - supply chains are shot for me - business wise not house.
Read something the other day and spoke to my builder - we can get timber (at a cost). The bit that I read was about where and what our timber / logs do. Apparently we use our crap logs for pulp and paper processed here.
Anything that we can build with gets sent overseas to be processed. @Hooroo might know more.
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Good to see employers finding ways to encourage workers to get vaccinated.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I think that you were previously a cop? I felt for the police guys going out to shut down butchers the other day. They probably felt like we do. The government giving a leg up to two massive corporations is just corrupt.
Yeah I've been out for five or so years now but I felt for the cops who had to go and do that. It's one of those ones where you don't agree with it, but you've still got to enforce the rules you didn't set with no room for individual discretion like you might have with other areas of the law.
It's particularly bad in light of the recently released ComCom report saying that a duopoly existed and that more needed to be done to dismantle it, yet then the government doesn't allow butchers or greengrocers to do contactless pick-up from their storefront, instead funneling business toward the supermarkets, one of whom removed all of their specials in the first lockdown when they had a captive audience. It makes no sense, and from a financial incentive for the government, allowing those stores to open would bring in a bunch more GST and tax revenue, and would mean they have to pay significantly less wage subsidies and other support packages.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@aucklandwarlord said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Obviously I know it's significantly more complex given the nature of supply chains, but seems a real shame that there weren't ways that things like mills could keep running to address the dire timber shortages.
Forgot this bit - supply chains are shot for me - business wise not house.
Read something the other day and spoke to my builder - we can get timber (at a cost). The bit that I read was about where and what our timber / logs do. Apparently we use our crap logs for pulp and paper processed here.
Anything that we can build with gets sent overseas to be processed. @Hooroo might know more.
Not entirely true, we do process timber here for ourselves. We also get a lot back into NZ.
Radiata is split into three parts, the top third which is less dense and weaker, that is used for production of Pulp and Paper. Middle of tree is used for timber, ply etc but not structural, bottom third is structural timber.
NZ produces more Pulp and Paper than there is pulp wood about. So marginal cost saw logs are used to supplement the fibre basket into the mills. The rest is chip from the sawmills that are producing timberwood products
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@snowy same thinking as the flu vaccination really - the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage and presenteeism (sick people at work doing not much due to being sick but not on leave because they don't have any), so they pay for it. This vaccine is free anyway, so the employer finding other ways to share some of the gains from high vaccination rates is nice.
As a public health measure, beats no jab, no job policies or sending in goon squads to compulsorily inoculate people.
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MIQ vouchers available for booking again from Monday, 3,000 to start with, 4,000 fortnightly thereafter. Also introducing a new system:
Basically, enter the lobby at the set times, get randomly allocated to the queue for booking, get let into the website booking system in that order. Once rooms are sold out, wait for the next dates/vouchers.
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Pro and college sports are getting into it in the USA
https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/nhl/sylvain-lefebvre-fired-blue-jackets-vaccine-1.6173870
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Hired goons!
On the bolded point, that has a limit - I don't have the links handy, but I know NZ research shows that moving from 5 to 10 sick days has a big impact in average sick leave usage but it's not from an average of nearly 5 to an average of nearly 10. That said, it is an increase, so anyone trying to sell it as no real increase hasn't seen the research.
The public service average for 2019-20 was 7.6 days (1July 2019 to 30 June 2020), and has fluctuated between 7 and 8 days generally for the last 20 or so years, despite no public service department having less than 10 days p.a. for much of that (most are 10 days p.a. for the first 2 years, then 15 days p.a. after that). Even departments with unspecified sick leave (so no particular limit) have an average of 7.6 - 10 really does seem to be the limit where it stops impacting at a system wide level.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
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@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
5 to 10 sick days has a big impact in average sick leave usage but it's not from an average of nearly 5 to an average of nearly 10
It started on July 24. We are only a couple of months in and that has been in lockdown, so the research is projection, not actuality surely. I wouldn't use the public service as a general indicator of the private sector either. You are quite right though it is a significant cost to employers government or otherwise. Over %50 cost increase if those days are averaged out.
My staff have been on paid holiday for a couple of months in the last 18 months sick or not.
@Hooroo Want a job? Or send me some staff? The healthy ones.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
5 to 10 sick days has a big impact in average sick leave usage but it's not from an average of nearly 5 to an average of nearly 10
It started on July 24. We are only a couple of months in and that has been in lockdown, so the research is projection, not actuality surely. I wouldn't use the public service as a general indicator of the private sector either. You are quite right though it is a significant cost to employers government or otherwise. Over %50 cost increase if those days are averaged out.
It's not projected research as it wasn't part of the impact analysis for the Holidays Act amendment, it was research from long before that which looked at companies which increased sick leave from 5 days to more than that, but 10 days was the most common. I have a feeling it was CLEW (Vic Uni) but it could have been someone else.
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@godder Appreciate seeing it if you can find it. Sample sizes that sort of thing. I studied stats for a while at uni so intrigued what it was all based on.
Judging peoples health is also very dubious. Some will be honest others not in a workplace (maybe the surf was up...)
It's still a 50% increase to a business either way using those numbers. So it does have an impact.
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
Lucky you!!
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@hooroo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@godder said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
the employer benefits greatly in reduced sick leave usage
Hmmm. Really. If you give an employee 10 days sick leave they take it. If you give them 5 that is what they use.
I agree about sick people at work, don't want that.
Won't even comment on vaccines. We agree, it should be obvious.
I like the goon squad idea, better than bribing morons.
Rubbish!
We have untold amounts of sick leave in the business not taken each year
Same
We allow people to carry over sick leave up to 20 days. There would be scores of people with 20 days accrued.
There are a minority who use it as an entitlement to be enjoyed to the full, but it is a minority and always has been everywhere that I have worked.
Mind you that minority are a monumental pain in the arse. Fortunately they are normally consistent assholes across their employment so give ample opportunities to exit them or pay them less than their peers