Coronavirus - Australia
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@siam said in Coronavirus - Australia:
You might have to rethink that statement mate. Or not, up to you.š
You first
Muddyriver said:
@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Australia:
transmission is not significantly reduced by vaccines
I disagreed, based on the medical evidence stating that transmission is reduced in vaccinated persons. From this link at RACGP quoting a British study:
In April, Public Health England reported the results of a large study of COVID-19 transmission involving more than 365,000 households with a mix of vaccinated and unvaccinated members.
It found immunisation with either the Pfizer or AstraZeneca vaccine reduced the chance of onward virus transmission by 40ā60%. This means that if someone became infected after being vaccinated, they were only around half as likely to pass their infection on to others compared to infected people who were not vaccinated.
Significant, no?
The article goes on to an Israeli study about why infection is reduced. It is an interesting read.
The CDC are perfectly correct when they say: "If you are fully vaccinated and become infected with the Delta variant, you can spread the virus to others."
Well of course. No vaccine is 100% effective, and there will always be breakthrough infections for whatever reason.
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A very personal opinion, but I genuinely don't care if the unvaxxed are more likely to spread this or not. I chose to get vaxxed to protect myself if I got it, and more so, to "earn my freedoms back" (š¤¢).
But I'm genuinely not worried about catching it, and I have zero issue with hanging with unvaxxed people (and am actively doing so in their homes).
Time to get back to life and treat people with different views the same again.
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@nta well you have near fully 100% fully eligible vaccination rate in that irish town, with the highest spread in the country, so obviously the 40-60% is not significant enough to alter real world results.
as i said there is a whole heap of studies saying a whole lot of things. In that case look at whats actually happening.
There is a study right there saying no there has been no effect on global transmisson and specualtes even higher in the higher vaxed communities.
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My hope is that soon we will get back to normal where we donāt consider someone infectious just because. When we were not gripped with fear we went to the Dr. because something was wrong. I think the asymptomatic transfer assumption has gone too far. How long before you give your fellow man the benefit of the doubt instead of āIām feeling great but you might have Covidā? Under normal circumstances a physician would prescribe you meds for delusion if you said you were asymptomatic but might have a disease.
Well I think I have shot my wad on Covid. In the states there appears to be a point of equilibrium where those who are worried are wearing masks and staying away from people and others are living their lives. Iām happy with this but winter is coming.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
What?? Why? You fluffybunnies are vaxed as fuck!!
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
What?? Why? You fluffybunnies are vaxed as fuck!!
Yeah, crazy. As someone pointed out today, NSW as a state is> 90%, when you adjust for Byron and similar, the City of Sydney must be 95% easy
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@muddyriver said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@nta well you have near fully 100% fully eligible vaccination rate in that irish town, with the highest spread in the country, so obviously the 40-60% is not significant enough to alter real world results.
I'm not about to discount evidence, but then I'm not about to use it as the rule of thumb based on a single population either, where ~24% of the population is ineligible for the vaccine and therefore about a quarter of people don't have any form of pharmacological protection. Is there a breakdown of cases by age?
Would be interesting to see the Irish history measured against lockdown measures, particularly for schools. Is there something environmental that causes this region of Ireland to be 3 times higher than the national average? Ireland isn't a big place, after all.
One of the Irish medicos says their national situation is partly down to timing:
https://www.rte.ie/news/2021/1014/1253744-covid-ireland-latest/
Professor Philip Nolan from NPHET said Delta had already seeded in this country when our vaccination roll-out got under way.
He said: "Ireland is a young country - the median age of our population is 38, compared to 47 in Italy, for example.
"So we got this huge wave of Delta among younger people who had not yet had the vaccine, whereas the incidence rate in other countries at the time was much lower.
"We are where we are now [with high incidence levels] because of where we started on our vaccination journey."Another in that article is pointing at the high rates of travel with the UK which has much higher infection rates, so there is an external factor at play that they need to consider.
Freedom of movement could be statistically significant if you're trying to analyse a regional population. Some will have more movement than others.
The NCBI article you quote where infection rates in e.g. Vietnam remain low, despite low vax rates. High population density in certain areas so you'd expect infection rates to be high ordinarily. The anecdotal evidence suggests warmer climates restrict transmission to a degree, so perhaps that is also a factor. What's the travel factor in Vietnam both internally and externally? How different is it compared to Ireland? Are their neighbouring states seeing the same results?
I see Vietnam's cases are back on the increase, having peaked in early September then dipped. Only talking thousands in a population of near 100M tho, which is quite something. Got to wonder if case reporting standards are up with other nations.
Note: The quote from the Lancet isn't quite saying "no effect on household". It states that viral load in breakthrough infections - i.e. those that do manage to get infected despite vaccination - is no different to those who are unvaccinated. It makes no mention of increase or decrease, probably because any form of study at that level is too granular to show rate of change.
The last stats I saw for the 0-18 cohort in Australia represented about 25% of cases in Australia - the 50+ bracket was just under 20% for the same period. I'll be keen to see what happens as each hemisphere hits winter.
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@gibbon-rib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@crazy-horse said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@gibbon-rib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
But anyone who thinks restrictions on people who chose not to get vaxxed are like discrimination / apartheid / Nazi Germany is away with the fairies
Don't take the comparisons so seriously. I think there may be a bit of tongue in cheek involved.
Yeah, I know, but there's folks out there saying the same stuff in all seriousness
Fuck looking at him. He should definitely get jabbed!!
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@voodoo I have no problem mixing with the unvaxed but have used the opportunity to disassociate myself from some rabid anti-vaxer conspiracy theorists (moon landings were faked, Twin Towers an inside job lunacy).
The irony is the controls that are being put in place are all about protecting the unvaxed.
the fear and anger is palpable and rising by the week and is going to splinter society and potentially have far longer lasting effects than the pandemic. Race relations are going to suffer and all manner of other schisms are emerging. I know families who now don't talk to each other.
The reaction by some to the notion that Auckland's border might come down was really disturbing as well. There is a sizeable prooportion of middle NZ (both demographically and geographically) who are relatively unaffected by lockdown and would rather it continure forever
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@wairau Looks more to me like a continuation of Aussie aping everything Murican. The wrapping everything up in the flag and nationalistic jingoism is a sad trend in Australia IMO.
I liked it because of the song.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@wairau Looks more to me like a continuation of Aussie aping everything Murican. The wrapping everything up in the flag and nationalistic jingoism is a sad trend in Australia IMO.
It's not the flag wrapping that bothers me, it's which flags are on display.
If there's a jurisdiction that's earned the right to protest about freedom, it's Victoria.
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@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
What?? Why? You fluffybunnies are vaxed as fuck!!
So this gets worse. He had to get a test yesterday (came back negative this morning), then needs another tomorrow, then another next Wednesday!
Seriosuly, why the fck did we all get vaccinated again???
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
What?? Why? You fluffybunnies are vaxed as fuck!!
So this gets worse. He had to get a test yesterday (came back negative this morning), then needs another tomorrow, then another next Wednesday!
Seriosuly, why the fck did we all get vaccinated again???
Which state are you in Voodoo?
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@gibbon-rib said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
What?? Why? You fluffybunnies are vaxed as fuck!!
So this gets worse. He had to get a test yesterday (came back negative this morning), then needs another tomorrow, then another next Wednesday!
Seriosuly, why the fck did we all get vaccinated again???
Which state are you in Voodoo?
NSW
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@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@voodoo said in Coronavirus - Australia:
@mariner4life said in Coronavirus - Australia:
quick, and genuine question, because i don't know the answer
why is there still a focus on QR check-in when the vax rates are really high? Will they still be attempting to trace every case? will positive cases still be isolated?
Guy in my team just got the message that he's a close contact from a venue 4 days ago. Has to get tested then isolate for 7 days from expose date then no high-risk spots for a further 7 days after that.
What?? Why? You fluffybunnies are vaxed as fuck!!
So this gets worse. He had to get a test yesterday (came back negative this morning), then needs another tomorrow, then another next Wednesday!
Seriosuly, why the fck did we all get vaccinated again???
Data gathering.
@muddyriver makes a good point above about Pfizer's modelling. They need to understand everything about potential breakthrough infections