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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
When you've got your Tesla powerwall hero advocating nuclear, then it's probably wise to listen. Solar and wind are just not cutting it mate.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
Grumpy Old Man thread is here.
It's a fact that you're not going to solve the Russian gas reliance - either immediately or into the future - through nuclear power, without changing the infrastructure e.g. heat pumps for water/space heating. Which should be something everyone does anyway, as emissions (fugitive, process, or otherwise) aren't great for gas.
Further, simply increasing the output as Musk wants ignores the fact a lot of those plants are running below full capacity for good reasons, mostly relating to cost or safety.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
When you've got your Tesla powerwall hero advocating nuclear, then it's probably wise to listen. Solar and wind are just not cutting it mate.
Not to go over this topic in depth again, but for the record: I like nuclear.
I think it is fabulous and we should keep as many of them running as we possibly can. I don't have an issue with the waste or the safety that so many tout as reasons to abandon it. The recent work in fusion should give everyone great hope. We should build them as fit for purpose, maybe more in SMR format, and distribute them widely when feasible.
"When feasible" being the only real issue. The market isn't going to support the costs it brings, due to a range of factors (cost ovveruns mostly through bad project management and only slightly through over-zealous regulation).
As a taxpayer, I think if newer, more efficient designs could be implemented (Phase IV, Thorium, etc) I'd be happy to look at that, despite the long term debt it would bring to the state.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
Grumpy Old Man thread is here.
It's a fact that you're not going to solve the Russian gas reliance - either immediately or into the future - through nuclear power, without changing the infrastructure e.g. heat pumps for water/space heating. Which should be something everyone does anyway, as emissions (fugitive, process, or otherwise) aren't great for gas.
Nice strawman.
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"When feasible" being the only real issue. The market isn't going to support the costs it brings, due to a range of factors (cost ovveruns mostly through bad project management and only slightly through over-zealous regulation).
As a taxpayer, I think if newer, more efficient designs could be implemented (Phase IV, Thorium, etc) I'd be happy to look at that, despite the long term debt it would bring to the state.
and this is the problem. People see nuclear and have an emotional reaction ... so the safety requiremetns loaded onto them make the uncompetitive. It was a win for environmentalists, at the expense of screwing up low carbon generation. Hydro the same - you can't consent major hydro any more.
Solar and Wind and Batteries are the future (unless Fusion actually succeeds and scales)
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
Grumpy Old Man thread is here.
It's a fact that you're not going to solve the Russian gas reliance - either immediately or into the future - through nuclear power, without changing the infrastructure e.g. heat pumps for water/space heating. Which should be something everyone does anyway, as emissions (fugitive, process, or otherwise) aren't great for gas.
Nice strawman.
Ah fuck well you've beaten me all ends up there. Well played. So deeply thought through.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@antipodean said in Ukraine:
@antipodean said in Ukraine:
At some point another generation of Germans are going to realise they've made a horrendous mistake.
Can restart all the nukes you want - replacing the gas boilers/heating is going to take a lot longer.
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
Grumpy Old Man thread is here.
It's a fact that you're not going to solve the Russian gas reliance - either immediately or into the future - through nuclear power, without changing the infrastructure e.g. heat pumps for water/space heating. Which should be something everyone does anyway, as emissions (fugitive, process, or otherwise) aren't great for gas.
Nice strawman.
Ah fuck well you've beaten me all ends up there. Well played. So deeply thought through.
Get pissy because I called it out. My post (https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/post/694591) didn't imply it was as simple as flicking a switch, quite the opposite.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
Get pissy
TBF you started it
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
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@antipodean said in Ukraine:
Get pissy
TBF you started it
Well since it can't be immediate, best to not fucking bother then.
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The problem with Nuclear is where to build it. Absolutely nobody wants to live anywhere near a nuclear power station.
I'm completely sold on solar. We had a fella here last week installing a car charger and I had a long conversation with him. He said the latest generation of panels is brilliant and more than sufficient to completely power a house in the UK 365 days a year. Now I'm not up to speed on it & perhaps @NTA can offer some thoughts here but he think our house with 16 panels will be sufficient for
All existing electricity needs
Around 50 miles per day of electric car
50% of heating needs during winter.Nick, does that sound right to you? As with energy costs literally soaring here, the cost to install pays itself off in around 1.5 years at the moment.
Even if the shelf life of the panels is only 8 years, and if you include perhaps 50% install cost in maintenance over that period, it's still a 75% saving.
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@majorrage depends on what the installer meant. If it's "you'll generate more energy than you'll use" he'd probably be correct. If however he meant "you'll be self sufficient" then that's a big fat nah.
I have an 8kW system with Korean made panels and I'm not self sufficient in energy as you can see. And I live in Australia where we have sunlight.
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@antipodean said in Future Of Energy - Ukraine Spin Off:
@majorrage depends on what the installer meant. If it's "you'll generate more energy than you'll use" he'd probably be correct. If however he meant "you'll be self sufficient" then that's a big fat nah.
I have an 8kW system with Korean made panels and I'm not self sufficient in energy as you can see. And I live in Australia where we have sunlight.
What am I missing .... how can you generate more energy than you use, but not be self sufficient? I see the graph above shows that you obviously sell to the grid, but why would you sell to the grid then buy it back?
I'm guessing battery storage or something?
Bear in mind I'm basically retarded when it comes to this so apologies if some of these answers are really obvious.
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@majorrage solar only works during the day and I still have energy demands at night. So my excess gets exported to the grid and at night I have to import energy.
If I was self sufficient I could go off-grid but unlike @NTA I don't have battery.
Edit - I would say that the next gen batteries are extremely close to being cost neutral over their life now, especially with the escalation in energy costs. Considering how much I can generate I might be able to be self sufficient, but to do that I'd definitely need the storage.
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@antipodean said in Future Of Energy - Ukraine Spin Off:
@majorrage solar only works during the day and I still have energy demands at night. So my excess gets exported to the grid and at night I have to import energy.
If I was self sufficient I could go off-grid but unlike @NTA I don't have battery.
Edit - I would say that the next gen batteries are extremely close to being cost neutral over their life now, especially with the escalation in energy costs. Considering how much I can generate I might be able to be self sufficient, but to do that I'd definitely need the storage.
Right interesting. My energy supplier says they can supply a battery for 2,300 GBP as part of the installation which also has 10 years warranty on it. Doesn't give any stats about how long & how much it can store for though.
Reading about how solar panels work last few days as obviously it reeks to me that UK weather isn't conducive to them. How wrong was I. Obviously the best way would require 6 months of storage in order to power your house for the 8 hours of light a day winters from the 16 hours light a day summers
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@majorrage said in Future Of Energy - Ukraine Spin Off:
The problem with Nuclear is where to build it. Absolutely nobody wants to live anywhere near a nuclear power station.
Totally right.
Taiwan referendum here blocked restarting existing station because of this exact point + hard core propaganda from the ruling party media who dominate the airwaves and social media.
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