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@aucklandwarlord said in Zac Guildford:
@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
@bovidae said in Zac Guildford:
When Stuff published an article months ago with name suppression it was obvious who it was. It appears Zac can't be helped despite plenty of people trying.
Judges continually letting him off the hook lightly are not helping. He needs to go to jail and get help.
Agree 100%. The whole getting 25% off for pleading guilty at the earliest possible time has always irked me - especially because it's generally not the earliest possible time, it's the when they've reviewed the disclosure and realised they're screwed. That would be a good incentive where maybe the case isn't clear cut or there might be a chance of a successful trial outcome for the defendant, but this would have been a slam dunk, given the electronic evidence. If not for the guilty plea, he'd have almost certainly cross the two year threshold for a term of imprisonment.
He wrote all his other offending off as alcohol related, but stealing from his elderly grandfather repeatedly shows what a piece of trash he actually is, underneath it all.
I hope he gets the help he needs, but I'm not optimistic
Yeah he’s starting to get a bit long in the tooth to change one would imagine
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How is zac Guildford politics???
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@billy-tell said in Zac Guildford:
How is zac Guildford politics???
Someone moved it when the conversation moved to appropriate sentences, recidivism etc
Will leave it here because that’s where it will drift to again. We’re talking about serial offender Zac, not Zac the rugby player who ran funny
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Interesting article here. It comes across as very self-serving. In one sentence he says he's not trying to use his ADHD as an excuse, but then in the same breath, he's basically using his ADHD as an excuse.
""I feel a little bit of a relief, because deep down I thought, am I just a c***? Or, am I just a horrible person? Why am I doing these bad things? That makes no sense, because I'm a good person."
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@aucklandwarlord said in Zac Guildford:
Interesting article here. It comes across as very self-serving. In one sentence he says he's not trying to use his ADHD as an excuse, but then in the same breath, he's basically using his ADHD as an excuse.
""I feel a little bit of a relief, because deep down I thought, am I just a c***? Or, am I just a horrible person? Why am I doing these bad things? That makes no sense, because I'm a good person."
The guy desperately needs therapy.
IMO, you are the sum of your actions - so yes you are c***. If you have medical issues, you get help for them to stop c**tishness. If he truely thinks he's a good person nothing will ever change.
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I believe most people think they are a good person. Even when they do horrible things.
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@tim said in Zac Guildford:
@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
The guy desperately needs therapy.
More like he needs punishment. Sounds like an unrepentant sociopath. Therapy would just help him lie.
Disagree. It could help him realise he’s not a good person, and help him improve.
Alternative is either lock him up for good or let him continue causing harm to anyone associated to him.
It’s in our best interests to treat people like this. And part of that is accepting consequences, which is why I get pissed at the wet bus tickets he gets slapped with by these judges.
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@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
@tim said in Zac Guildford:
@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
The guy desperately needs therapy.
More like he needs punishment. Sounds like an unrepentant sociopath. Therapy would just help him lie.
Disagree. It could help him realise he’s not a good person, and help him improve.
Alternative is either lock him up for good or let him continue causing harm to anyone associated to him.
It’s in our best interests to treat people like this. And part of that is accepting consequences, which is why I get pissed at the wet bus tickets he gets slapped with by these judges.
Agreed. For mine the most concerning thing is the escalation of his behaviour. Started with that incident in one of the Pacific Islands where he harassed the female triathlete, assaulted a couple of people and ended up stark naked in the bar. That was kinda swept under the carpet as "lads on tour" type behaviour.
Within ten years, it had escalated to a full blown unprovoked assault on a female, and willfully ripping off his grandfather over a prolonged period of time.
His employers sound like decent people, who are genuinely trying to help him. He has been given every chance to succeed, so I'd like to think that if he's back before the courts again, they'll be aiming for a punitive sentence, rather than a rehabilitative one.
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Give the manboy a CRT. Maybe took too many slaps to the head and has brain damage.
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@crazy-horse said in Zac Guildford:
I believe most people think they are a good person. Even when they do horrible things.
There is no such thing as good v evil
Just one persons good v another persons good.
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@aucklandwarlord said in Zac Guildford:
@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
@tim said in Zac Guildford:
@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
The guy desperately needs therapy.
More like he needs punishment. Sounds like an unrepentant sociopath. Therapy would just help him lie.
Disagree. It could help him realise he’s not a good person, and help him improve.
Alternative is either lock him up for good or let him continue causing harm to anyone associated to him.
It’s in our best interests to treat people like this. And part of that is accepting consequences, which is why I get pissed at the wet bus tickets he gets slapped with by these judges.
Agreed. For mine the most concerning thing is the escalation of his behaviour. Started with that incident in one of the Pacific Islands where he harassed the female triathlete, assaulted a couple of people and ended up stark naked in the bar. That was kinda swept under the carpet as "lads on tour" type behaviour.
Within ten years, it had escalated to a full blown unprovoked assault on a female, and willfully ripping off his grandfather over a prolonged period of time.
His employers sound like decent people, who are genuinely trying to help him. He has been given every chance to succeed, so I'd like to think that if he's back before the courts again, they'll be aiming for a punitive sentence, rather than a rehabilitative one.
Good point. Things have actually gotten far worse. How many times have we read how sorry Zac is for the shit he’s done ?
In comparison I’d say it’s extremely likely Mils hasn’t pissed in a bar in the last couple of decades.
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@frank said in Zac Guildford:
An ordinary person doing what he did would have been in jail long ago.
Or based on NZ’s criminal legal system, name suppressed, granted bail and awaiting a court date miles into the future….
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@kirwan said in Zac Guildford:
@aucklandwarlord said in Zac Guildford:
Interesting article here. It comes across as very self-serving. In one sentence he says he's not trying to use his ADHD as an excuse, but then in the same breath, he's basically using his ADHD as an excuse.
""I feel a little bit of a relief, because deep down I thought, am I just a c***? Or, am I just a horrible person? Why am I doing these bad things? That makes no sense, because I'm a good person."
The guy desperately needs therapy.
IMO, you are the sum of your actions - so yes you are c***. If you have medical issues, you get help for them to stop c**tishness. If he truely thinks he's a good person nothing will ever change.
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@frank said in Zac Guildford:
An ordinary person doing what he did would have been in jail long ago.
I am not so sure about that.
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@crazy-horse said in Zac Guildford:
@frank said in Zac Guildford:
An ordinary person doing what he did would have been in jail long ago.
I am not so sure about that.
Agree. Been in jail a long time ago for what? Until the assault everything was him being a dick but not overly criminal just newsworthy because he was high profile. This stuff however would be jail worthy. Also there are some other stuff that happened around this time that hasn't come out yet which may be the tipping point.
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