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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Friends visiting from Sydney … has to go to airport 4 hours pre flight In Sydney … to get plane.
That's not usual at all. Post covid lockdown there was significant delay due to lack of staff.
That’s the point. It’s not usual anywhere. But it’s happening everywhere ….
However in Britain it’s happening because of Brexit.
Remoaners maintaining the rage. Guess it's Brexit's fault the French won't provide enough staff on their side for passport control as well.
Not beyond the bounds of possibility. In 2016, shortly after the vote, we were in Corsica and went to the airport to pick up some friends who were visiting. Their plane was delayed, circling the airport for about 20 minutes while other planes were let in ahead of schedule. The passengers were then kept waiting to disembark and then faced huge queues at passport control. No valid reason for any of this.
Having spoken to many french people over the last few years, there is a strong sense of bewilderment as to why we (the UK) would want to turn our backs on our Euro friends, much talk of betrayal, which, apparently, is a term used quite frequently in the French media and by low level polls trying to get their 15 minutes.
Surely the simple solution is for Englishmen to all learn French?
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Friends visiting from Sydney … has to go to airport 4 hours pre flight In Sydney … to get plane.
That's not usual at all. Post covid lockdown there was significant delay due to lack of staff.
That’s the point. It’s not usual anywhere. But it’s happening everywhere ….
However in Britain it’s happening because of Brexit.
Remoaners maintaining the rage. Guess it's Brexit's fault the French won't provide enough staff on their side for passport control as well.
Not beyond the bounds of possibility. In 2016, shortly after the vote, we were in Corsica and went to the airport to pick up some friends who were visiting. Their plane was delayed, circling the airport for about 20 minutes while other planes were let in ahead of schedule. The passengers were then kept waiting to disembark and then faced huge queues at passport control. No valid reason for any of this.
Having spoken to many french people over the last few years, there is a strong sense of bewilderment as to why we (the UK) would want to turn our backs on our Euro friends, much talk of betrayal, which, apparently, is a term used quite frequently in the French media and by low level polls trying to get their 15 minutes.
Surely the simple solution is for Englishmen to all learn French?
Why? All they need to do to he understood is to speak slower and louder.
Efit: and maybe with a bit of an accent.
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Friends visiting from Sydney … has to go to airport 4 hours pre flight In Sydney … to get plane.
That's not usual at all. Post covid lockdown there was significant delay due to lack of staff.
That’s the point. It’s not usual anywhere. But it’s happening everywhere ….
However in Britain it’s happening because of Brexit.
Remoaners maintaining the rage. Guess it's Brexit's fault the French won't provide enough staff on their side for passport control as well.
Not beyond the bounds of possibility. In 2016, shortly after the vote, we were in Corsica and went to the airport to pick up some friends who were visiting. Their plane was delayed, circling the airport for about 20 minutes while other planes were let in ahead of schedule. The passengers were then kept waiting to disembark and then faced huge queues at passport control. No valid reason for any of this.
Having spoken to many french people over the last few years, there is a strong sense of bewilderment as to why we (the UK) would want to turn our backs on our Euro friends, much talk of betrayal, which, apparently, is a term used quite frequently in the French media and by low level polls trying to get their 15 minutes.
Surely the simple solution is for Englishmen to all learn French?
Je fais de mon mieux mon ami.
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Friends visiting from Sydney … has to go to airport 4 hours pre flight In Sydney … to get plane.
That's not usual at all. Post covid lockdown there was significant delay due to lack of staff.
That’s the point. It’s not usual anywhere. But it’s happening everywhere ….
However in Britain it’s happening because of Brexit.
Remoaners maintaining the rage. Guess it's Brexit's fault the French won't provide enough staff on their side for passport control as well.
Not beyond the bounds of possibility. In 2016, shortly after the vote, we were in Corsica and went to the airport to pick up some friends who were visiting. Their plane was delayed, circling the airport for about 20 minutes while other planes were let in ahead of schedule. The passengers were then kept waiting to disembark and then faced huge queues at passport control. No valid reason for any of this.
Having spoken to many french people over the last few years, there is a strong sense of bewilderment as to why we (the UK) would want to turn our backs on our Euro friends, much talk of betrayal, which, apparently, is a term used quite frequently in the French media and by low level polls trying to get their 15 minutes.
Surely the simple solution is for Englishmen to all learn French?
Je fais de mon mieux mon ami.
Voir, facile!
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@booboo said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
Friends visiting from Sydney … has to go to airport 4 hours pre flight In Sydney … to get plane.
That's not usual at all. Post covid lockdown there was significant delay due to lack of staff.
That’s the point. It’s not usual anywhere. But it’s happening everywhere ….
However in Britain it’s happening because of Brexit.
Remoaners maintaining the rage. Guess it's Brexit's fault the French won't provide enough staff on their side for passport control as well.
Not beyond the bounds of possibility. In 2016, shortly after the vote, we were in Corsica and went to the airport to pick up some friends who were visiting. Their plane was delayed, circling the airport for about 20 minutes while other planes were let in ahead of schedule. The passengers were then kept waiting to disembark and then faced huge queues at passport control. No valid reason for any of this.
Having spoken to many french people over the last few years, there is a strong sense of bewilderment as to why we (the UK) would want to turn our backs on our Euro friends, much talk of betrayal, which, apparently, is a term used quite frequently in the French media and by low level polls trying to get their 15 minutes.
Surely the simple solution is for Englishmen to all learn French?
Why? All they need to do to he understood is to speak slower and louder.
Efit: and maybe with a bit of an accent.
I understand they prefer that.
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@booboo said in British Politics:
When does this leadership thing get resolved and why is it taking so long?
05 September I think
Snail mail pace
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Seriously, WTF?
A 93-year-old dementia sufferer with one leg died after police officers pepper-sprayed and shot him with a Taser inside his care home.
Police were called to the home in St Leonards-on-Sea in East Sussex after reports that an elderly man in a wheelchair was threatening staff with a knife.
When two officers arrived, they found Donald Burgess, a resident who suffered from advanced dementia, holding a knife.
After speaking to him briefly, one of the officers pepper-sprayed him and then used his baton while the second officer tasered him.
After being disarmed, Burgess was handcuffed and taken to hospital on June 21. He died after three weeks in hospital, although the exact cause of death has not been established.
The two have been told that they are under criminal investigation for manslaughter. They have also been handed gross misconduct notices.
The IOPC said that initial steps carried out in the investigation included taking witness statements and reviewing the officers’ body-worn video footage. Graham Beesley, IOPC regional director, said: “I want to express my sympathies to the man’s relatives and those who knew him. We have advised his next-of-kin of our independent investigation and explained the steps we will be taking.
“This will include investigating whether the force used by the two officers against this male was reasonable, necessary and proportionate.”
Tanya Jones, assistant chief constable of Sussex police, said: “We want to express our sympathies to the family and friends of Mr Burgess.
“We are providing every assistance to the IOPC to allow for a thorough investigation and for the family to receive the answers they need.”
There have been concerns over police use of Tasers following other incidents in which people died after one was used against them.
In June, a man died after being tasered by police in London and jumping into the Thames. Oladeji Adeyemi Omishore was initially reported to have been carrying a screwdriver, but the IOPC later found he only had a small lighter.
An officer attempted to detain him on Chelsea Bridge but when he was unable to do so, he tasered Omishore who was then seen in a video recording running to the edge of the bridge and jumping.
Last year West Mercia police apologised to the family of the footballer Dalian Atkinson, who went into cardiac arrest and died after he was tasered three times by an officer.
PC Benjamin Monk was found to have used excessive force and kicked Atkinson in the head while arresting him. He was jailed for eight years. -
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
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@pakman said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
Doesn't fit with their beliefs that all illegal migrants are downtrodden folks escaping torture and mayhem who we must welcome enthusiastically and those who don't are evil. The facts are far too challenging for their closed, virtuous minds.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
Doesn't fit with their beliefs that all illegal migrants are downtrodden folks escaping torture and mayhem who we must welcome enthusiastically and those who don't are evil. The facts are far too challenging for their closed, virtuous minds.
I'm all for making the French take responsibility for the boats leaving their shores. Let the squealing begin.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
This may seem a fluffybunnyish thing to say, but why would you let certain demographics into your country pretending to be refugees? They're overwhelmingly young men, so you're importing the problem that's caused their own country to be a shit hole.
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
This may seem a fluffybunnyish thing to say, but why would you let certain demographics into your country pretending to be refugees? They're overwhelmingly young men, so you're importing the problem that's caused their own country to be a shit hole.
Because the UK is very attractive, it's difficult to stop them coming in for some reason, and when they do it's difficult to get rid of them. Any serious attempt to attack the problem is met with howls of outrage and accusations of racism. The cynic in me thinks it's a convenient peg for both sides of politics to hand their hat on, which is why it's never improved.
There's also a well-organised network of activists and lawyers in the UK concerned with "refugee" rights. who will fight any deportations (right up to when they put on an outbound flight) even if the deportee is a child rapist.
The whole thing is fucked.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in British Politics:
@antipodean said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
This may seem a fluffybunnyish thing to say, but why would you let certain demographics into your country pretending to be refugees? They're overwhelmingly young men, so you're importing the problem that's caused their own country to be a shit hole.
Because the UK is very attractive, it's difficult to stop them coming in for some reason, and when they do it's difficult to get rid of them. Any serious attempt to attack the problem is met with howls of outrage and accusations of racism. The cynic in me thinks it's a convenient peg for both sides of politics to hand their hat on, which is why it's never improved.
There's also a well-organised network of activists and lawyers in the UK concerned with "refugee" rights. who will fight any deportations (right up to when they put on an outbound flight) even if the deportee is a child rapist.
The whole thing is fucked.
Perhaps we should adopt the US Republican model and house them next to the lawyers and poiticians
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@antipodean said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
Some buffer claimed the other day in the House of Lords, that the top four were Iran, Iraq, Syria and somewhere similar?!
This may seem a fluffybunnyish thing to say, but why would you let certain demographics into your country pretending to be refugees? They're overwhelmingly young men, so you're importing the problem that's caused their own country to be a shit hole.
I take a simple view. Once the ‘refugee’ is in EU, and most pertinent, France, they are no longer facing such threats.
There is plainly no case for arguing they are refugees from France, and so the whole ‘justification’ sinks under its own weight.
Mind you, I totally understand why the French are trying so hard to restrain them!
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@MiketheSnow that had me in stitches mate. Sometimes all you need to do is give someone a bit of time and an audience to really shine.
I died at the pause after announcing pork market procurement in China - whoever was prompting the crowd to cheer missed their timing!!
Oops that was a bit back in the thread. But I'm sure you know who I'm talking about
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It's clear that the majority of them are simply economic refugees and I understand that. Oz went through this and the (effective) solution made us international pariahs with the liberal left. Ultimately you either control your borders or you descend into shit hole status.
It's too late for Europe - the barbarians are inside the gate.
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