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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
I am by no means a Truss supporter, but she made it look like it was Starmer's first day today not her own.
As each day passes I don't believe that Labour will win the next election with Starmer at the helm.
There was much talk about Beavers?!
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@nostrildamus said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
I'm not a clothing expert but I suspect there is quite a bit of structural support going on already...
But weâre looking at some structural failure on her left side methinks
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
@nostrildamus said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
I'm not a clothing expert but I suspect there is quite a bit of structural support going on already...
But weâre looking at some structural failure on her left side methinks
maybe, or maybe she uses the momentum of the perky one to steer (based on my knowledge of large loaded Norwegian fishing boats...)
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@nostrildamus said in British Politics:
based on my knowledge of large loaded Norwegian fishing boats...
Those Oslo girls aren't what they used to be.
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@Bones said in British Politics:
@nostrildamus said in British Politics:
based on my knowledge of large loaded Norwegian fishing boats...
Those Oslo girls aren't what they used to be.
Oslo girls? Oslo girls? We used to dream of Oslo girls. Back in my day woulda' been a princess to us. We used to chat up Narvik bilge dropouts with the promise of half-frozen rakfisk and some tundra mosquitos dripped in seal lard and icing sugar.
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@pakman said in British Politics:
Isn't a meeting of the Fern British Politics sub-committee overdue?
Well
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@JC said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
@JC said in British Politics:
@pakman said in British Politics:
@TeWaio said in British Politics:
@MajorRage exactly. He as chancellor took the tax burden to the highest % of gdp in 70yrs, then ran for the leadership saying cutting tax was irresponsible. The membership quite rightly told him to get in the bin.
Is frustrating as he's clearly a more smart/capable human than Truss, just shit tactics/direction. Kind of like the ABs under Foster..
Raising taxes coming into a recession isn't a good look.
Sinai didnât advocate for raising taxes now though. He just didnât want to lower them.
Yes but he had just raised them in the previous budget
I get that. But in the leadership contest he wasnât arguing for lifting taxes again, he was arguing for not lowering them.
Anyway, so now we get to see if Truss is a Keynesian or a monetarist. Or indeed (as I suspect) more of a press-and-guesser
Whatever it takes to win the next election I imagine. Which is why we are in the mess we are in as there is a lack of long-term structural planning. Truss wants to lessen the Treasury's control (relax spending constraints). I wonder if that came from experience when she was Chief Secretary to the Treasury?
Truss has promoted Kwarteng to be Chancellor. He's an advocate of the free market and the shrinking of the state.
Kwarteng was also known to have locked horns with Sunak when he was the Business Secretary and Sunak was Chancellor on the best way to galvanise British business growth.
The first look at "Trussnomics" will be what is unveiled to combat rising energy prices. Kwarteng met with Bailey straight away today. Will the BoE keep raising interest rates as fast if energy prices are capped? Capping prices means that the government will be borrowing a lot of money to fund the gap that they customers will not be exposed to. This is a gamble IMO, because if the Russia/Ukraine conflict continues for years and wholesale energy prices continue to rise, funding the gap is not a viable long term plan.
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The Frack is back in the UK. The ban on the development of shale gas fields has been lifted. Areas that approve drilling will see a decent level of local investment. This could help see significant investment in the northern region. Green blob won't be happy (but when are they ever).
Expansion of nuclear energy, new gas and oil licence round to open up new fields. 2040 net zero targets will be reviewed to ensure they are align with the government's pro-business/pro-growth agenda. Britain to aim to be a net exporter of energy by 2040.
I'm not sure on the energy price cap (I think it is a gamble), but the investment in energy supply and the decision to at last use the energy resources available to the UK is a welcome decision.
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@stodders said in British Politics:
The Frack is back in the UK. The ban on the development of shale gas fields has been lifted. Areas that approve drilling will see a decent level of local investment. This could help see significant investment in the northern region. Green blob won't be happy (but when are they ever).
Expansion of nuclear energy, new gas and oil licence round to open up new fields. 2040 net zero targets will be reviewed to ensure they are align with the government's pro-business/pro-growth agenda. Britain to aim to be a net exporter of energy by 2040.
I'm not sure on the energy price cap (I think it is a gamble), but the investment in energy supply and the decision to at last use the energy resources available to the UK is a welcome decision.
Very positive second day at work
Well played
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@stodders said in British Politics:
The Frack is back in the UK. The ban on the development of shale gas fields has been lifted. Areas that approve drilling will see a decent level of local investment. This could help see significant investment in the northern region. Green blob won't be happy (but when are they ever).
Expansion of nuclear energy, new gas and oil licence round to open up new fields. 2040 net zero targets will be reviewed to ensure they are align with the government's pro-business/pro-growth agenda. Britain to aim to be a net exporter of energy by 2040.
I'm not sure on the energy price cap (I think it is a gamble), but the investment in energy supply and the decision to at last use the energy resources available to the UK is a welcome decision.
Very positive second day at work
Well played
Yep, no complaints so far. Will create more debt which is not great, but nothing compared to the trouble 600-1000% increase in energy bills will do to the economy.
Hopefully this is all done in synch with the big energy firms so they don't start using British Government as a cash cow.
Unrelated but funny story. Watching my daughter play netball now, her team was miles ahead ... and they got a rough call and ball to the opposition. Bloke beside me says "windfall tax".
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@stodders said in British Politics:
The Frack is back in the UK. The ban on the development of shale gas fields has been lifted. Areas that approve drilling will see a decent level of local investment. This could help see significant investment in the northern region. Green blob won't be happy (but when are they ever).
Expansion of nuclear energy, new gas and oil licence round to open up new fields. 2040 net zero targets will be reviewed to ensure they are align with the government's pro-business/pro-growth agenda. Britain to aim to be a net exporter of energy by 2040.
I'm not sure on the energy price cap (I think it is a gamble), but the investment in energy supply and the decision to at last use the energy resources available to the UK is a welcome decision.
Very positive second day at work
Well played
Yep, no complaints so far. Will create more debt which is not great, but nothing compared to the trouble 600-1000% increase in energy bills will do to the economy.
Hopefully this is all done in synch with the big energy firms so they don't start using British Government as a cash cow.
Unrelated but funny story. Watching my daughter play netball now, her team was miles ahead ... and they got a rough call and ball to the opposition. Bloke beside me says "windfall tax".
The windfall tax. In one foul swoop, Labour, Lib Dems and the SNP would mark Britain out as a country not to do business in. Something that would take an awfully long time to forget and would make any strategic energy policy incredibly hard to implement. Nationalisation isn't the answer to corporatism.
I do hope that the UK political leaders look at ways and incentives to get energy companies to invest their record gains back into R&D and to invest in the communities that help them. Make that capital work hard. People do quickly forget that the likes of BP and Shell had to write off billions in investments made in joint ventures with Russian energy companies to develop fields in norther Russia and the Russia owned areas of the Arctic.
I hope in years to come people will see the benefit in finding solutions for themselves amongst their communities rather than using the common refrain of "the government needs to spend more". If the government spends more, we all lose out long-term. People have forgotten this and have bought into the fantasy of the magic money tree.
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@stodders said in British Politics:
I hope in years to come people will see the benefit in finding solutions for themselves amongst their communities rather than using the common refrain of "the government needs to spend more". If the government spends more, we all lose out long-term. People have forgotten this and have bought into the fantasy of the magic money tree.
I agree. The only way this will happen though is when people look at the cards in front of them, and start playing them. A good government should never be the key thing behind a populations success or failure. They are there to provide an infrastructure. Nothing more.
The Britain I once knew, and loved, appreciated that. I'm not entirely sure thats the case anymore.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@stodders said in British Politics:
I hope in years to come people will see the benefit in finding solutions for themselves amongst their communities rather than using the common refrain of "the government needs to spend more". If the government spends more, we all lose out long-term. People have forgotten this and have bought into the fantasy of the magic money tree.
I agree. The only way this will happen though is when people look at the cards in front of them, and start playing them. A good government should never be the key thing behind a populations success or failure. They are there to provide an infrastructure. Nothing more.
The Britain I once knew, and loved, appreciated that. I'm not entirely sure thats the case anymore.
You only have to look at the NHS to see it isn't
What was once there for births, deaths and emergencies has been destroyed by people unwilling to help themselves
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@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@stodders said in British Politics:
I hope in years to come people will see the benefit in finding solutions for themselves amongst their communities rather than using the common refrain of "the government needs to spend more". If the government spends more, we all lose out long-term. People have forgotten this and have bought into the fantasy of the magic money tree.
I agree. The only way this will happen though is when people look at the cards in front of them, and start playing them. A good government should never be the key thing behind a populations success or failure. They are there to provide an infrastructure. Nothing more.
The Britain I once knew, and loved, appreciated that. I'm not entirely sure thats the case anymore.
You only have to look at the NHS to see it isn't
What was once there for births, deaths and emergencies has been destroyed by people unwilling to help themselves
Which is why I'm firmly behind it being charged for. What is free, will be wasted. That is one of lifes rules.
If you cut taxes by 5p in the dollar, and then charge 50% of cost for NHS, with your total costs capped by that same 5p in the dollar, watch what happens then. It'll very quickly revert to being for births, deaths emergencies. And it'll be much better funded with people taking better care of themselves.
Those that don't pay tax will of course be disadvantaged. And I say, fuck 'em.
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@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@MiketheSnow said in British Politics:
@MajorRage said in British Politics:
@stodders said in British Politics:
I hope in years to come people will see the benefit in finding solutions for themselves amongst their communities rather than using the common refrain of "the government needs to spend more". If the government spends more, we all lose out long-term. People have forgotten this and have bought into the fantasy of the magic money tree.
I agree. The only way this will happen though is when people look at the cards in front of them, and start playing them. A good government should never be the key thing behind a populations success or failure. They are there to provide an infrastructure. Nothing more.
The Britain I once knew, and loved, appreciated that. I'm not entirely sure thats the case anymore.
You only have to look at the NHS to see it isn't
What was once there for births, deaths and emergencies has been destroyed by people unwilling to help themselves
Which is why I'm firmly behind it being charged for. What is free, will be wasted. That is one of lifes rules.
If you cut taxes by 5p in the dollar, and then charge 50% of cost for NHS, with your total costs capped by that same 5p in the dollar, watch what happens then. It'll very quickly revert to being for births, deaths emergencies. And it'll be much better funded with people taking better care of themselves.
Those that don't pay tax will of course be disadvantaged. And I say, fuck 'em.
Sadly, suggesting this is political suicide. the NHS has become a sacred cow that nobody can touch. But someone has to offer their neck to get it done; you may as well burn any additional money rather than give it to the NHS for all of the good it will do in its current form.
This is not a sleight on the medical professionals who work within the system. The majority give their all and I am grateful for their service. But record numbers are leaving the NHS and they cannot be replaced fast enough. Like Mike has said above, we need to get back to seeing at as a last stop service for births, deaths and emergencies.
And once we have started fixing the NHS, we can focus on modernising the welfare system. This has been bastardised from the original concept that Beveridge proposed in the 40s. Again, it should be safety net of last resort for those who cannot work, not a means to live on for those that can.
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@MajorRage said in Passing of Queen Elizabeth:
Boris may be hated by many, but this is as a good a statement as you'll see, anywhere.
He can turn a word, but he's still a turd
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@Catogrande said in British Politics:
but the buggers wonât work
The 1945 Attlee government was the closest to a socialist administration Britain has come. Its policy of nationalising industries to secure control of the âcommanding heights of the economyâ was what the unions represented in these industries wanted. But not even that government could avoid industrial disputes: a dock strike provoked Ernest Bevin, foreign secretary and former leader of the Transport and General Workersâ Union, to grumble that âthe buggers wonât workâ.
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