Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative
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@victor-meldrew isnt it more effective in stopping YOU spreading it rather than protecting you?
I guess if it stops transmission by even 5%, isnt that a good thing?
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@taniwharugby said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@victor-meldrew isnt it more effective in stopping YOU spreading it rather than protecting you?
I guess if it stops transmission by even 5%, isnt that a good thing?
Definitely. I was posing a thought that mask rules were possibly brought in to change behaviours/awareness of Covid as much as protect against it, if not more.
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So a year on, how has the experimental vaccine made things better?
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@Joans-Town-Jones
go to FB or Telegram or Instagram and look up dyed xxxxx sud x den xly
there are groups for NZ, Aus, worldwide a few, probably for Europe.
So many sad stories of all kinds of ways waxxed people are leaving. ...heart, immune system, sudden stage 4 cancer. -
@Wairau said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones
go to FB or Telegram or Instagram and look up dyed xxxxx sud x den xly
there are groups for NZ, Aus, worldwide a few, probably for Europe.
So many sad stories of all kinds of ways waxxed people are leaving. ...heart, immune system, sudden stage 4 cancer.Snowball rolling slowly down the mountain
Get ready for the avalanche
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@Wairau said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones
go to FB or Telegram or Instagram and look up dyed xxxxx sud x den xly
there are groups for NZ, Aus, worldwide a few, probably for Europe.
So many sad stories of all kinds of ways waxxed people are leaving. ...heart, immune system, sudden stage 4 cancer.Interesting isn't it. My mum with stage 4 cancer got the kung flu and survived ok.
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Sensible, important questions being asked in the UK
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@MiketheSnow Yes, it’s very sad. The trend, details, and connections are being purposefully hidden and it’s difficult to find out how much of the extra deaths (e.g UK is 16% up) are from the waxing. But, when you read the stories people tell of their loved ones dying, it’s pretty obvious. The main FB site had 200k members in August, then was deleted. Then got up to 170k in September when I joined, then was deleted again, now up to 30k. The NZ site was 11k before deletion in October. So many sad stories hidden. Mods have backed up some to Instagram, and other efforts are being made to have different sites.
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@Joans-Town-Jones Hard to tell if the excess deaths are caused by the vax or if it was all the other health services that were stopped/delayed/just not done during lockdown.
We probably won't be able to tell until years later as it is far too political for any sort of unbiased truth to come out - and I mean both sides of the argument for that.
In regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine? Well it did an incredibly good job of making rich people a lot richer.
In regards to it's health benefits it appears to...
Help you not catch it - just a little bit.
Help you not pass it on - just a little bit.
Help you not get hospitalized - just a little bit.
And not die from it - just a little bit.So not exactly the wonder drug that would save us all...
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@Windows97 said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones Hard to tell if the excess deaths are caused by the vax or if it was all the other health services that were stopped/delayed/just not done during lockdown.
We probably won't be able to tell until years later as it is far too political for any sort of unbiased truth to come out - and I mean both sides of the argument for that.
In regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine? Well it did an incredibly good job of making rich people a lot richer.
In regards to it's health benefits it appears to...
Help you not catch it - just a little bit.
Help you not pass it on - just a little bit.
Help you not get hospitalized - just a little bit.
And not die from it - just a little bit.So not exactly the wonder drug that would save us all...
You may be right about point 1 & 2, but not 3 and 4.
The evidence was everywhere that it did both of those things.
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@MajorRage said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Windows97 said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones Hard to tell if the excess deaths are caused by the vax or if it was all the other health services that were stopped/delayed/just not done during lockdown.
We probably won't be able to tell until years later as it is far too political for any sort of unbiased truth to come out - and I mean both sides of the argument for that.
In regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine? Well it did an incredibly good job of making rich people a lot richer.
In regards to it's health benefits it appears to...
Help you not catch it - just a little bit.
Help you not pass it on - just a little bit.
Help you not get hospitalized - just a little bit.
And not die from it - just a little bit.So not exactly the wonder drug that would save us all...
You may be right about point 1 & 2, but not 3 and 4.
The evidence was everywhere that it did both of those things.
Even if it did each of those "just a little bit", does that not justify the vaccine?
Two, very genuine questions:
1 what is current case fatality rate?
2. What is the rate of transmission?I'd be really surprised if either is ofconcern. And further, I'd be really surprised if those rates weren't at least in part attributable to the vaccine.
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@booboo said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@MajorRage said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Windows97 said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
@Joans-Town-Jones Hard to tell if the excess deaths are caused by the vax or if it was all the other health services that were stopped/delayed/just not done during lockdown.
We probably won't be able to tell until years later as it is far too political for any sort of unbiased truth to come out - and I mean both sides of the argument for that.
In regards to the effectiveness of the vaccine? Well it did an incredibly good job of making rich people a lot richer.
In regards to it's health benefits it appears to...
Help you not catch it - just a little bit.
Help you not pass it on - just a little bit.
Help you not get hospitalized - just a little bit.
And not die from it - just a little bit.So not exactly the wonder drug that would save us all...
You may be right about point 1 & 2, but not 3 and 4.
The evidence was everywhere that it did both of those things.
Even if it did each of those "just a little bit", does that not justify the vaccine?
Two, very genuine questions:
1 what is current case fatality rate?
2. What is the rate of transmission?I'd be really surprised if either is ofconcern. And further, I'd be really surprised if those rates weren't at least in part attributable to the vaccine.
Well in response
- The accuracy of that number is politely put "inaccurate" considering it's been used as a political kick ball, I would assume in some places it's wildly over-stated and in others wildly understated. The current "dying with covid" measurement gratuitously over counts the number of people who have died with covid been the primary cause. For instance in NZ someone was shot to death "with covid" and added to the covid death stats...
- Excluding a spike from Jan to Apr 2022 transmission rates are the same as they've ever been.
So again a genuine question, knowing what we know about the vaccine now.
- Was staying in lockdown till we achieved a 90% immunization rate justified?
- Was forcing people into redundancy for not getting immunized justified?
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Anyway without wanting to get into a pointless battle of statistics my take is.
- Covid wasn't as bad as what it was made out to be
- The vaccine was no-where near as good as what it was made out to be
And given 1 & 2 was all the efforts to curb it worthwhile? Especially in the light of climbing excess mortality in many, many countries that simply can't be explained by covid?
Were the efforts put into stopping covid simply cause people to die of something else, making the entire exercise moot?
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I assume that you’re viewing this from an NZ centric perspective? If so I’m not really qualified to argue one way or another, as I am not familiar with the details. On the whole though and certainly from a UK perspective, the calculations of what constituted a covid death was highly questionable and I also feel that the variance in the methodology differed hugely from country to country. So much so I doubt we will ever have a meaningful metric.
Looking at your secondary questions, again I think that comes down to how an individual country has dealt with the issue. From the outside it seems that NZ was really quite draconian in its policy. Less so in the UK. For instance the main issues about people being refused entry to work if not vaccinated was broadly only in health care and note: refused entry to work, not sacked or made redundant. Certainly not as a mater of policy anyway.
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@Windows97 said in Alternative Covid - Challenging the Narrative:
Anyway without wanting to get into a pointless battle of statistics my take is.
- Covid wasn't as bad as what it was made out to be
- The vaccine was no-where near as good as what it was made out to be
And given 1 & 2 was all the efforts to curb it worthwhile? Especially in the light of climbing excess mortality in many, many countries that simply can't be explained by covid?
Were the efforts put into stopping covid simply cause people to die of something else, making the entire exercise moot?
Without even arguing either of those two points, my first comment would be that viewing things entirely in a rear view mirror is quite handy.
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@MajorRage I think he is right about 3 and 4 too. It may have helped those at risk avert hospitalization and death but the healthy and young people a definitive no! This is what was wrong with those who accepted the assumption that everyone was equally at risk to be hospitalized or die and accepted overreach by Government.
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There was absolutely no justification for mandating the vaccine and firing staff that were not vaccinated. Definitely a dark period of NZ history, governments should never have that much power.