Jacinda resigned
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@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Is there anything her government has done well?
Whatever you think of her and her government decisions, the decisions and clarity of communication early in the pandemic was a masterclass.
The emotional response to Christchurch Mosque was also completely on point.
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@nzzp said in Jacinda resigned:
@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Is there anything her government has done well?
Whatever you think of her and her government decisions, the decisions and clarity of communication early in the pandemic was a masterclass.
The emotional response to Christchurch Mosque was also completely on point.
from a half interested outsider
absolutely this. I found her to be a bloody good leader in times of crisis. This doesn't make her a great PM, but her leadership in tough times was pretty much on point
NZ did bloody well early doors of COVID. i found the whole "mission accomplished" bullshit in 2020 cringey and predictably premature (the same thing happened in Qld to the exact same result) but overall in 2020 they did well. I don't think the same after that though.
Another shrewd political move here too. she plays politics bloody well.
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Good Riddance to her.
Hopefully Trudeau and Macron not far behind.
Their covid stance/policies were fucking despicable and they will be on the wrong side of history for sure, just like that Morrison clown in Australia.
Orwellian shite from the 4 of them over the last three years.
Dan Andrews another bellend while we are at it.
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@nzzp said in Jacinda resigned:
@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Is there anything her government has done well?
Whatever you think of her and her government decisions, the decisions and clarity of communication early in the pandemic was a masterclass.
The emotional response to Christchurch Mosque was also completely on point.
Clarity of communication no doubt. Made easier by not having States.
As for the Mosque incident, I don't recall her doing anything different to what any other slightly compassionate human being would have done in her position. Perhaps my memory is faulty here.
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@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
@nzzp said in Jacinda resigned:
@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Is there anything her government has done well?
Whatever you think of her and her government decisions, the decisions and clarity of communication early in the pandemic was a masterclass.
The emotional response to Christchurch Mosque was also completely on point.
Clarity of communication no doubt. Made easier by not having States.
As for the Mosque incident, I don't recall her doing anything different to what any other slightly compassionate human being would have done in her position. Perhaps my memory is faulty here.
You are forgetting the theatre of donning the headress, to the dismay of woman from those countries that get beaten if they don't wear it.
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@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Is there anything her government has done well?
Gang members probably like her
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Not surprised she's jumped - but surprised at the timing.
She should have gone earlier if she wanted Labour to have a chance.
Not a fan, (of Cindy) but have grave doubts about the ability of Luxon and an incoming National cabinet in general. Not a lot of talent on display amongst the current shadow cabinet and by 'not a lot' I mean absolutely fuck all.
Willis, Reti, Stanford, Bishop....
Labour had some 'progressive' social policies but definitely weren't taking the country with them and seemed the answer to every issue was another working group and enormous QANGO.
Nats, Tax cuts, beneficiary bashing, the race card, tough on crime, builkd another motorway. All pretty much failed policies.
Like @No-Quarter I still lament Bill English didn't get a proper crack at leading the country.
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@mariner4life said in Jacinda resigned:
I found her to be a bloody good leader in times of crisis.
and she had a few things to deal with on her watch too.
On one hand, good riddance, but on the other, Luxon with his trainer wheels doesnt fill me with confidence either...I can just imagine Winny in the corner rubbing his hands together at this.
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@nzzp said in Jacinda resigned:
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@gt12 said in Jacinda resigned:
I’m no fan of hers at all, but she really has done this the right way.
Get out far away enough from it that she is set for her next role with the UN or whatever.
She’ll continue to be the world darling and likely won’t wear any of the deserved shit that should be coming labors way.
My thoughts almost exactly. I didn't mind her, but I really don't like her government trying to turn NZ back to the 1980s.
Losing an election would spoil her brand. Never mind she didn't actually win the first election she got to be PM, and the second was basically NZ back-slapping themselves over how awesome we were at keeping Covid out (cough!), people outside NZ think she is pure magic and we are all in love with her.
I don't imagine she did it for those reasons directly though. You can see the effect being PM has had on her physically. She may want another child.
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
Absolutely. Aged about 20 years in her time as PM.
Regrettably normal for leadership. You see the toll on Key and Obama most recently...8 years is like 20. It's ridiculously stressful and demanding
I saw Boris Johnson, in person, a couple of days ago and I couldn't get over just how much older and frailer he now looks than his Mayor of London days.
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@Chester-Draws said in Jacinda resigned:
@gt12 said in Jacinda resigned:
I’m no fan of hers at all, but she really has done this the right way.
Get out far away enough from it that she is set for her next role with the UN or whatever.
She’ll continue to be the world darling and likely won’t wear any of the deserved shit that should be coming labors way.
My thoughts almost exactly. I didn't mind her, but I really don't like her government trying to turn NZ back to the 1980s.
Losing an election would spoil her brand. Never mind she didn't actually win the first election she got to be PM, and the second was basically NZ back-slapping themselves over how awesome we were at keeping Covid out (cough!), people outside NZ think she is pure magic and we are all in love with her.
I don't imagine she did it for those reasons directly though. You can see the effect being PM has had on her physically. She may want another child.
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
The (vocal) Fern is largely centre-right wing conservative. Most conveniently forget how abjectly incompetent the centre-right opposition party have been throughout Jacinda's time in power. National simply did not provide a credible alternative with their in-fighting and stupidity. Do they now? If they manage to put up a semblance of a united front they'll win due to the negativity around Labour, but if anybody thinks National has any answers I'd be interested to hear what they are. I don't like a lot of things about our current government, but you have to consider the 'who else then' aspect: it's basically all the same shit, but I guess in my opinion she's been the more palatable turd.
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@reprobate as I've gotten older I've gone from Labour to National, to realising both parties suck ass. The last Politician I actually liked was English, and he got screwed.
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@reprobate said in Jacinda resigned:
I hadn't picked the Fern to be quite so anti-Jacinda though. Are there no fans here?
The (vocal) Fern is largely centre-right wing conservative. Most conveniently forget how abjectly incompetent the centre-right opposition party have been throughout Jacinda's time in power. National simply did not provide a credible alternative with their in-fighting and stupidity. Do they now? If they manage to put up a semblance of a united front they'll win due to the negativity around Labour, but if anybody thinks National has any answers I'd be interested to hear what they are. I don't like a lot of things about our current government, but you have to consider the 'who else then' aspect: it's basically all the same shit, but I guess in my opinion she's been the more palatable turd.
I'm hopeful that National/ACT will win because of what they won't do.
If we are going to go down failed policies, then centralised and unionised bargaining has got to be right up there. That was going to cause unbelievable ructions. The idea that 10% of a workforce could determine the pay and conditions of the other 90% ?
And some of the less popular centralisations (Techs, Health, water) will be reversed or watered down.
And National will open the borders to immigration. One of the things foreigners don't get about Jacinda's government is just how anti-immigration it has been right from the start. They just assume because she's on the Left she must be pro-immigration.
After that if Luxon does nothing, I'll be happy. I'm a firm believer that the less governments do, the better.
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@Steve said in Jacinda resigned:
Good Riddance to her.
Hopefully Trudeau and Macron not far behind.
Their covid stance/policies were fucking despicable and they will be on the wrong side of history for sure, just like that Morrison clown in Australia.
Orwellian shite from the 4 of them over the last three years.
Dan Andrews another bellend while we are at it.
Can you name one leader who dealt with the Pandemic in a positive manner Steve?
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Personally, I probably wouldn't be voting Labour anyway, but don't get the angst against Jacinda, she's a PM who was reasonably competent as any, and as most of the country seemed to want Labour in power, not sure who else should of lead the party. I am a leery of Luxton only because of the shit of posting he on holiday in NZ when he was in Tahita or somewhere? I also hope they finally tell us what their policies will be and how they will pay for them, as I not sure who else I can vote for.
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@No-Quarter I like that people are predictably getting upset when it's obvious the account is taking the piss:
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I’ve principally lived in 4 countries, NZ, France, Ireland and Switzerland. Switzerland is by far and away the best managed country, Ireland the worst. NZ gives out far too much support and not nearly enough incentives. Make it attractive for the lower classes to aim for the middle class, don’t take money from the middle class to support the lower classes. It is very difficult in Switzerland to survive if you don’t want to work hard (unless you have a genuine disability etc). The country is stable, rich, prosperous and that’s because it’s well-governed.
Jacinda is viewed as a darling in Europe. As an ex-pat kiwi who sees the ridiculous cost of living in NZ compared to income, Labour has failed dismally. Admittedly some elements outside their control, notably the war in Ukraine. The fort knox approach to Covid and notably the way kiwis overseas were treated was a black mark imo.