Jacinda resigned
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@paremata said in Jacinda resigned:
Ultimately like Key she was too much of a coward to use up her considerable political capital on making hard calls one way or the other in a lot of cases and thats 100% on her.
Welcome back... Surely the Mods can hook you up with your old username.
Your point above is tough; MMP drives incrementalism. Key mastered it... Back down in anything unpopular like mining, and push death by a thousand cuts elsewhere. Clark arguably the same, but it was early days. Adern arguably did it too, with capital gains tax... Maybe some caucus intransigence on three waters and other major policies drove her decision.
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Politics everywhere is largely the same. Bulldoze through what you can, sneak through what you can't, and use your favourite media outlet to push your point (or distract from your failings).
Try to limit any departure from the middle ground, outwardly, at least.
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@NTA said in Jacinda resigned:
@MN5 said in Jacinda resigned:
Woohoooo ! He’s back.
Love the username by the way, best suburb on FUCKEN EARTH !
Maori version of Parramatta?
Fucken love the mata bro, it’s choice !
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@NTA said in Jacinda resigned:
@MN5 said in Jacinda resigned:
Woohoooo ! He’s back.
Love the username by the way, best suburb on FUCKEN EARTH !
Maori version of Parramatta?
British troops were stationed here in the 1840s, they named the barracks after the Parramatta barracks where they came from and then it got changed to what it is now
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@sparky said in Jacinda resigned:
Chris Hipkins to be the next Prime Minister of New Zealand. His is the only name nominated for the Labour Party leadership.
Some continuity in the level of integrity in the leadership then . This is the stain that released Charlotte Belliss details to the media to smear her and then only apologised the day after he stepped down from that ministry. If he had apologised the day before cabinet rules meant he would have had to resign . Where was the "empathy" and "kindness" when they illegally blocked her and more than 50 other women from returning to NZ to have their babies?
According to David Farrer polling suggests he's the only Labour mp with a positive approval rating , its a staggering 1% net approval though.
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@paremata said in Jacinda resigned:
@NTA said in Jacinda resigned:
@MN5 said in Jacinda resigned:
Woohoooo ! He’s back.
Love the username by the way, best suburb on FUCKEN EARTH !
Maori version of Parramatta?
British troops were stationed here in the 1840s, they named the barracks after the Parramatta barracks where they came from and then it got changed to what it is now
Over round the pauahatanui inlet aye ?
We get lovely views over that way
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@paremata Pudgy-arse Hipkins is at the heart of the MIQ debacle. His contempt towards Kiwis in dire straights trying to get into the country in 2020/2021 was alarming. His obtuse announcements ignoring their plight show he is either callous or dim-witted IMHO.
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the extremely sad/worrying thing is, Hipkins is probably the best option with the Labour caucus too!
Man, our political landscape is pretty bleak at the moment.
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It was all just a tale, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Jacinda Ardern’s fiercest critics always gave her too much credit.
The outgoing New Zealand Prime Minister was never the dangerous left-wing ideologue sometimes portrayed, or even the “pragmatic idealist” she styled herself. Nor was she particularly woke – certainly compared with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whom she found preposterous.
Even had she an ideology beyond the banality of kindness, she was not effective enough to lead any sort of revolution.
Ardern was an accidental prime minister.
Like other key figures in her government, she was a staffer in Helen Clark’s Labour government, having only modestly troubled her examiners with a Bachelor of Communication Studies at the University of Waikato.
Born in 1980, she was doing a working holiday in Britain, as a policy adviser in the “Better Regulation Executive” of Tony Blair’s Cabinet Office, before being recalled to “add a bit of glamour”, as a senior party official put it, to Labour’s 2008 line up.
Her nine years in opposition were undistinguished. She proposed no important legislation or policies while in opposition, during which time she remained a list-only MP until 2017 – with two failures to win the historically Labour seat of Auckland Central.
Her destiny was assumed to be deputy to her friend Grant Robertson, picked since his student-union days to be New Zealand’s first gay prime minister. He twice won the support of the party room to become leader, but was blocked by the unions.
Only Labour’s disastrous polling in 2017 under former union boss Andrew Little created the circumstances Labour would turn to Ardern, based on her support among young people and 20-something parliamentary reporters who thought they saw more in her than suggested by her record.
Ardern performed magnificently in front of the cameras at her first press conference as leader. With the exception of Labour’s existing promise to build 100,000 cheap houses, she largely refrained from offering policy beyond a slogan to “Let’s Do This” – however voters wanted to define “this”.
Despite reports of “Jacindamania”, there was never a full-scale voter groundswell for the then 37-year-old. Labour won just 38 per cent, behind National on 44 per cent. Ardern was helped by the far-left Greens on 7 per cent, but was only put over the line by Winston Peters’ NZ First, a One Nation-lite.
Ardern’s first full year as prime minister, 2018, was as mediocre as her nine in opposition. She was transformed by her national leadership after the March 15, 2019, Christchurch terrorist attack.
Yet, by the beginning of 2020, polls again indicated, at best, a tight race, and more likely that Ardern’s would be New Zealand’s first one-term government since 1975.
The problem was her ministers’ inability to deliver anything. Most symbolically, of the 100,000 houses promised, only around 1000 were ever built.
Even Ardern’s response to the March 15 terrorist attack failed in its substantive elements. Her “Christchurch Call” to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist online content has lots of signatures but no obvious results. Unlike John Howard’s successful gun reforms after Port Arthur, Ardern’s inadvertently led to firearms owned by law-abiding citizens ending up with criminal gangs.
Covid again transformed her, leading to her extraordinary 2020 election triumph, with 50 per cent of the vote, the highest achieved in New Zealand since 1951, allowing Labour to govern alone.
Without Peters’ handbrake, the new government, in which Ardern chose to include the Greens, was sold as now able to get on with the economic, social and environmental transformation she promised. Nothing meaningful eventuated.
Ardern, who notoriously confused GDP and government spending in her first term as Prime Minister, disagreed with Treasury that the massive Covid fiscal and monetary stimulus would cause inflation. But it did, with house prices increasing by an estimated $NZ1 trillion in 2020-21 at the expense of renters and lower income earners. When inflation spread to consumer prices, inequality, which Ardern had promised to narrow, widened further.
After Ardern finally dropped her attempt to keep New Zealand Covid-free, it spread just as it has everywhere else. New Zealand’s death rate is now comparable with Australia’s.
On foreign policy, Ardern shifted New Zealand ever-so-slightly towards Australia and NATO, but its economic reliance on China remains unaddressed.
Meanwhile, her climate-change policies saw New Zealand resume coal imports while farmers, the biggest emitters, remain largely excluded. A controversial $NZ30 billion light-rail proposal for Auckland hasn’t moved beyond the conceptual stage, despite Ardern’s first promise as Labour leader being that it would be finished by now.
There were some worries about Ardern’s alleged plans to introduce 50:50 co-governance with Maori tribes, discussed in a government paper called He Puapua – but, beyond increasing the use of the Maori language, Ardern’s legacy was in fact to slow the process of reparation and reconciliation from that achieved by National. A major proposal to amalgamate fresh-, storm- and wastewater services is also floundering over fears of Maori control.
Elsewhere, proposed school reforms were dropped after opposition from prominent principals, a multibillion-dollar allocation for mental health never reached providers, a wider multibillion-dollar health-sector restructuring became a mere rebranding exercise, as did a merger of polytechnics, and Ardern ruled out ever reforming the tax system to include capital gains from owner-occupied homes, despite saying she wanted to.
Ardern was no wild-eyed socialist. The lesson from her five-years is not about the dangers of ideology. It’s a sad story of vacuity and incompetence.
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@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
After Ardern finally dropped her attempt to keep New Zealand Covid-free, it spread just as it has everywhere else. New Zealand’s death rate is now comparable with Australia’s.
I question the facts and wording.
According to
so is overall deaths not important or shall we just write an article to suit ourselves?
I don't know who wrote the rest of it but:
"On foreign policy, Ardern shifted New Zealand ever-so-slightly towards Australia and NATO, but its economic reliance on China remains unaddressed."
Um, over the time of her PMship is the author saying Australia's relationship with China/economic reliance was superior? -
@nostrildamus said in Jacinda resigned:
@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
After Ardern finally dropped her attempt to keep New Zealand Covid-free, it spread just as it has everywhere else. New Zealand’s death rate is now comparable with Australia’s.
I question the facts and wording.
According to
so is overall deaths not important or shall we just write an article to suit ourselves?
I don't know who wrote the rest of it but:
"On foreign policy, Ardern shifted New Zealand ever-so-slightly towards Australia and NATO, but its economic reliance on China remains unaddressed."
Um, over the time of her PMship is the author saying Australia's relationship with China/economic reliance was superior?They literally wrote ‘death rate’ in the article.
According to your source, Oz is 71/100,000 and NZ is 51/100,000 with case/fatalities of .2 (Oz) and .1 (NZ).
That’s definitely comparable IMO.
Edit: By the way, if we want to use totals, then NZ is a doing a terrible job in comparison to Liechtenstein, they've only had 88 deaths (not considering that is 231/100,000).
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@taniwharugby said in Jacinda resigned:
the extremely sad/worrying thing is, Hipkins is probably the best option with the Labour caucus too!
Man, our political landscape is pretty bleak at the moment.
A ginger straight out of Waterloo. Cindy really has fucked NZ over huh
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@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
It was all just a tale, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Jacinda Ardern’s fiercest critics always gave her too much credit.
The outgoing New Zealand Prime Minister was never the dangerous left-wing ideologue sometimes portrayed, or even the “pragmatic idealist” she styled herself. Nor was she particularly woke – certainly compared with Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, whom she found preposterous.
Even had she an ideology beyond the banality of kindness, she was not effective enough to lead any sort of revolution.
Ardern was an accidental prime minister.
Like other key figures in her government, she was a staffer in Helen Clark’s Labour government, having only modestly troubled her examiners with a Bachelor of Communication Studies at the University of Waikato.
Born in 1980, she was doing a working holiday in Britain, as a policy adviser in the “Better Regulation Executive” of Tony Blair’s Cabinet Office, before being recalled to “add a bit of glamour”, as a senior party official put it, to Labour’s 2008 line up.
Her nine years in opposition were undistinguished. She proposed no important legislation or policies while in opposition, during which time she remained a list-only MP until 2017 – with two failures to win the historically Labour seat of Auckland Central.
Her destiny was assumed to be deputy to her friend Grant Robertson, picked since his student-union days to be New Zealand’s first gay prime minister. He twice won the support of the party room to become leader, but was blocked by the unions.
Only Labour’s disastrous polling in 2017 under former union boss Andrew Little created the circumstances Labour would turn to Ardern, based on her support among young people and 20-something parliamentary reporters who thought they saw more in her than suggested by her record.
Ardern performed magnificently in front of the cameras at her first press conference as leader. With the exception of Labour’s existing promise to build 100,000 cheap houses, she largely refrained from offering policy beyond a slogan to “Let’s Do This” – however voters wanted to define “this”.
Despite reports of “Jacindamania”, there was never a full-scale voter groundswell for the then 37-year-old. Labour won just 38 per cent, behind National on 44 per cent. Ardern was helped by the far-left Greens on 7 per cent, but was only put over the line by Winston Peters’ NZ First, a One Nation-lite.
Ardern’s first full year as prime minister, 2018, was as mediocre as her nine in opposition. She was transformed by her national leadership after the March 15, 2019, Christchurch terrorist attack.
Yet, by the beginning of 2020, polls again indicated, at best, a tight race, and more likely that Ardern’s would be New Zealand’s first one-term government since 1975.
The problem was her ministers’ inability to deliver anything. Most symbolically, of the 100,000 houses promised, only around 1000 were ever built.
Even Ardern’s response to the March 15 terrorist attack failed in its substantive elements. Her “Christchurch Call” to eliminate terrorist and violent extremist online content has lots of signatures but no obvious results. Unlike John Howard’s successful gun reforms after Port Arthur, Ardern’s inadvertently led to firearms owned by law-abiding citizens ending up with criminal gangs.
Covid again transformed her, leading to her extraordinary 2020 election triumph, with 50 per cent of the vote, the highest achieved in New Zealand since 1951, allowing Labour to govern alone.
Without Peters’ handbrake, the new government, in which Ardern chose to include the Greens, was sold as now able to get on with the economic, social and environmental transformation she promised. Nothing meaningful eventuated.
Ardern, who notoriously confused GDP and government spending in her first term as Prime Minister, disagreed with Treasury that the massive Covid fiscal and monetary stimulus would cause inflation. But it did, with house prices increasing by an estimated $NZ1 trillion in 2020-21 at the expense of renters and lower income earners. When inflation spread to consumer prices, inequality, which Ardern had promised to narrow, widened further.
After Ardern finally dropped her attempt to keep New Zealand Covid-free, it spread just as it has everywhere else. New Zealand’s death rate is now comparable with Australia’s.
On foreign policy, Ardern shifted New Zealand ever-so-slightly towards Australia and NATO, but its economic reliance on China remains unaddressed.
Meanwhile, her climate-change policies saw New Zealand resume coal imports while farmers, the biggest emitters, remain largely excluded. A controversial $NZ30 billion light-rail proposal for Auckland hasn’t moved beyond the conceptual stage, despite Ardern’s first promise as Labour leader being that it would be finished by now.
There were some worries about Ardern’s alleged plans to introduce 50:50 co-governance with Maori tribes, discussed in a government paper called He Puapua – but, beyond increasing the use of the Maori language, Ardern’s legacy was in fact to slow the process of reparation and reconciliation from that achieved by National. A major proposal to amalgamate fresh-, storm- and wastewater services is also floundering over fears of Maori control.
Elsewhere, proposed school reforms were dropped after opposition from prominent principals, a multibillion-dollar allocation for mental health never reached providers, a wider multibillion-dollar health-sector restructuring became a mere rebranding exercise, as did a merger of polytechnics, and Ardern ruled out ever reforming the tax system to include capital gains from owner-occupied homes, despite saying she wanted to.
Ardern was no wild-eyed socialist. The lesson from her five-years is not about the dangers of ideology. It’s a sad story of vacuity and incompetence.
The Accidental PM. Sounds like a good title for her autobiography
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@gt12 said in Jacinda resigned:
@nostrildamus said in Jacinda resigned:
@antipodean said in Jacinda resigned:
After Ardern finally dropped her attempt to keep New Zealand Covid-free, it spread just as it has everywhere else. New Zealand’s death rate is now comparable with Australia’s.
I question the facts and wording.
According to
so is overall deaths not important or shall we just write an article to suit ourselves?
I don't know who wrote the rest of it but:
"On foreign policy, Ardern shifted New Zealand ever-so-slightly towards Australia and NATO, but its economic reliance on China remains unaddressed."
Um, over the time of her PMship is the author saying Australia's relationship with China/economic reliance was superior?They literally wrote ‘death rate’ in the article.
According to your source, Oz is 71/100,000 and NZ is 51/100,000 with case/fatalities of .2 (Oz) and .1 (NZ).
That’s definitely comparable IMO.
Edit: By the way, if we want to use totals, then NZ is a doing a terrible job in comparison to Liechtenstein, they've only had 88 deaths (not considering that is 231/100,000).
I think I see your point but NZ is still clearly better and the point at which they judge her (and not the minister, health system etc) seems arbitrary to me, PLUS didn't the Australian praise Morrison for his handling of the pandemic ("Reinvigorated PM turns tables on premiers"-Simon Benson)-so why is being comparable to Australia so bad?
Back in April 2022:
If you find the Australian consistently said Morrison handled COVID really badly, (and thus Ardern did too) then I concede your point.
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@nostrildamus said in Jacinda resigned:
so why is being comparable to Australia so bad?
Because The Oz Everyone knows they'll flog their log over anything conservative and decry anything else
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@NTA said in Jacinda resigned:
@nostrildamus said in Jacinda resigned:
so why is being comparable to Australia so bad?
Because The Oz Everyone knows they'll flog their log over anything conservative and decry anything else
They called her the "Queen of Woke" ("The Queen of woke leaves a trail of chaos in her wake") so yes I guessed she might not be well-liked by them over as she resigns over the ditch in the little country of chaos!
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Perspectives on COVID and how it was handled are never 100% correct - too many moving parts / sliding doors.
My example: the MIL and her dementia.
Like a lot of similar cases in the frontotemporal dementia, it had been progressing for years, gradually rendering her unable to remember things, then function in society, then communicate, then move, then finally the ability for her body to operate lower level functions.
Some weeks before her death she was in hospital with COVID, it having swept through her residential care.
Mrs TA was pretty upset at COVID, thinking that's what finished her off.
However, a mate of mine also had a good point: what if we didn't have COVID, and everyone was just going about their lives like we did before? Someone could have brought a bad case of 'flu into the place in late 2020 that got her. Therefore, because our standards for hygiene - particularly around the elderly - were a bit casual compared to now.