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  • Here's the foreign split in Ireland. Includes 13 NZ born players with status
    Joey Carbery - RQ/PQ - moved age 10
    Joe Tomane - NIE - moved to Aus when young
    Michael Bent - Irish passport holder, GPQ
    Sean Reidy - Irish passport holder, GPQ
    Dom Robertson-McCoy - GPQ
    Jamison Gibson-Park - NIQ - becomes IQ June 2019
    James Lowe - NIQ - contracted Dec 17 - Jun 20
    Rhys Marshall - NIQ - becomes IQ Nov 2019
    Tyler Bleyendaal - RIQ - contract with Munster finishes in June 2019
    Alby Mathewson - NIE - medical joker injury cover until March 2019
    Bundee Aki - RIQ - contracted until June 2020
    Tom McCartney - RIQ - contract ends June 2020
    Jarrad Butler - NIQ - moved to Aus at 13 - signed to June 2020

    Player Nationalities Ireland.jpg



  • Here's the ones I could glean from the NZ 2019 SR squads. A few players whose birthplace are not provided.

    NZ Super Nationalities.jpg



  • @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.

    Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?

    I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.

    I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.

    First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.

    So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?

    Sorry about the tardiness.
    England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
    France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
    Ireland - 4 clubs
    Wales - 4 clubs
    Scotland - 2 clubs
    Italy - 2 clubs

    Player Splits Eur Leagues.jpg

    Apology accepted.

    It helps put more flesh on the bones of those numbers. In some ways it paints a worse picture than one may have thought. From those figures and the others you've supplied it seems England, France and Japan have over 30% of their professional players born abroad. Obviously some of those are genuine cases of English, French etc people that were just born elsewhere but I doubt those are significant numbers. For England (grasping at straws here), there is a fair chunk of NH born players and this I'd think was always so with many Irish, Scots and Welsh playing in England. Nonetheless though it is not a good picture.



  • @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.

    Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?

    I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.

    I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.

    First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.

    So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?

    Sorry about the tardiness.
    England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
    France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
    Ireland - 4 clubs
    Wales - 4 clubs
    Scotland - 2 clubs
    Italy - 2 clubs

    Player Splits Eur Leagues.jpg

    Apology accepted.

    It helps put more flesh on the bones of those numbers. In some ways it paints a worse picture than one may have thought. From those figures and the others you've supplied it seems England, France and Japan have over 30% of their professional players born abroad. Obviously some of those are genuine cases of English, French etc people that were just born elsewhere but I doubt those are significant numbers. For England (grasping at straws here), there is a fair chunk of NH born players and this I'd think was always so with many Irish, Scots and Welsh playing in England. Nonetheless though it is not a good picture.

    England has a lot of domestic-born players though within its two leagues - 802 players is the largest although I don't have the numbers in the French academies so that would bump it up a bit.

    The Irish, Welsh, Scots migration has always ben there - currently average 50 in each case - and obviously is one of the reasons why London Irish, Welsh & Scottish were set up, and that the IRFU's fifth branch, Exiles, continues to operate in England to track Irish-born and Irish-qualified players.

    The largest foreign cohort in Irish rugby is now English (13 players), whereas a few years ago, the SH cohort was far bigger around 55-60 in total. Lucifora's Evacuation has whittled these down considerably, and more are leaving/going this season - Ulster's squad looks positively green with over a dozen players cleared out in the last while and their SA influence has been completely wiped out with just Coetzee remaining to see out his contract until June (although McFarland would like IRFU to break the rules and re-sign him for another year or so.) Ulster new management and coaches are getting the message loud and clear - no more big spending after the last few year's fiasco, and develop your academies instead. Hence, Ulster having to field 3-4 academy players in a European cup tie this weekend - unheard of in Irish rugby before. That's the essential difference between union-run and privately-run, although a few Prem clubs seem to be adopting this approach in recent times.



  • Leinster playing Toulouse in the one of the games of Round 5 in Heineken Cup tomorrow. The French won by a point in Round 2, and a win at RDS should give them a chance of a home quarterfinal. Leinster have it all to do whilst missing Jack McGrath, Toner, SOB, Leavy, Sexton, Henshaw and R Kearney to injury and Lowe on a ban.

    Still should be a great match looking forward to being there.



  • @Derm-McCrum Whos is the 2 SA born players in the Hurricanes? I know Wes Goosen is one. Who's the other?



  • @Rebound

    Reggie Goodes? He retired last year after concussion issues.



  • @Rebound said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum Whos is the 2 SA born players in the Hurricanes? I know Wes Goosen is one. Who's the other?

    Ricky Riccitelli



  • Italian, surely?



  • @sparky said in NH club rugby:

    @Rebound

    Reggie Goodes? He retired last year after concussion issues.

    @Higgins is right; it's Riccitelli. Goodes hasn't only retired, he also has a NZ passport. He's coaching in Japan atm.