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  • Here's the foreign split in Ireland. Includes 13 NZ born players with status
    Joey Carbery - RQ/PQ - moved age 10
    Joe Tomane - NIE - moved to Aus when young
    Michael Bent - Irish passport holder, GPQ
    Sean Reidy - Irish passport holder, GPQ
    Dom Robertson-McCoy - GPQ
    Jamison Gibson-Park - NIQ - becomes IQ June 2019
    James Lowe - NIQ - contracted Dec 17 - Jun 20
    Rhys Marshall - NIQ - becomes IQ Nov 2019
    Tyler Bleyendaal - RIQ - contract with Munster finishes in June 2019
    Alby Mathewson - NIE - medical joker injury cover until March 2019
    Bundee Aki - RIQ - contracted until June 2020
    Tom McCartney - RIQ - contract ends June 2020
    Jarrad Butler - NIQ - moved to Aus at 13 - signed to June 2020

    Player Nationalities Ireland.jpg



  • Here's the ones I could glean from the NZ 2019 SR squads. A few players whose birthplace are not provided.

    NZ Super Nationalities.jpg



  • @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.

    Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?

    I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.

    I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.

    First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.

    So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?

    Sorry about the tardiness.
    England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
    France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
    Ireland - 4 clubs
    Wales - 4 clubs
    Scotland - 2 clubs
    Italy - 2 clubs

    Player Splits Eur Leagues.jpg

    Apology accepted.

    It helps put more flesh on the bones of those numbers. In some ways it paints a worse picture than one may have thought. From those figures and the others you've supplied it seems England, France and Japan have over 30% of their professional players born abroad. Obviously some of those are genuine cases of English, French etc people that were just born elsewhere but I doubt those are significant numbers. For England (grasping at straws here), there is a fair chunk of NH born players and this I'd think was always so with many Irish, Scots and Welsh playing in England. Nonetheless though it is not a good picture.



  • @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    @Catogrande said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum said in NH club rugby:

    On the topic of NZ players and other nationalities, here’s the top 12 birth countries with players contracted outside their domestic scene and where they are playing in Europe.

    Do you know how far down the various systems those numbers are for - ie in England is it just Premiership or for Wales, Scotland and Ireland is it just the Pro14 regions or does it go further down?

    I did PRO12, Top 14, ProD2, Eng Premiership & Championship.

    I also did Japanese Top League but didn’t include in that one. I have it in others. I’ll put up a few more by end of week - work distracting me.

    First off, get a better work/life balance and up your game will you? There are people here depending on you.

    So, for England and France those numbers are spread between what around 25-27 clubs each? Italy the numbers are spread between 2? 4,3 and 3 for The Celts?

    Sorry about the tardiness.
    England - Premiership 12 clubs, Championship 12 clubs
    France - Top 14 - 14 clubs - ProD2 - 16 clubs
    Ireland - 4 clubs
    Wales - 4 clubs
    Scotland - 2 clubs
    Italy - 2 clubs

    Player Splits Eur Leagues.jpg

    Apology accepted.

    It helps put more flesh on the bones of those numbers. In some ways it paints a worse picture than one may have thought. From those figures and the others you've supplied it seems England, France and Japan have over 30% of their professional players born abroad. Obviously some of those are genuine cases of English, French etc people that were just born elsewhere but I doubt those are significant numbers. For England (grasping at straws here), there is a fair chunk of NH born players and this I'd think was always so with many Irish, Scots and Welsh playing in England. Nonetheless though it is not a good picture.

    England has a lot of domestic-born players though within its two leagues - 802 players is the largest although I don't have the numbers in the French academies so that would bump it up a bit.

    The Irish, Welsh, Scots migration has always ben there - currently average 50 in each case - and obviously is one of the reasons why London Irish, Welsh & Scottish were set up, and that the IRFU's fifth branch, Exiles, continues to operate in England to track Irish-born and Irish-qualified players.

    The largest foreign cohort in Irish rugby is now English (13 players), whereas a few years ago, the SH cohort was far bigger around 55-60 in total. Lucifora's Evacuation has whittled these down considerably, and more are leaving/going this season - Ulster's squad looks positively green with over a dozen players cleared out in the last while and their SA influence has been completely wiped out with just Coetzee remaining to see out his contract until June (although McFarland would like IRFU to break the rules and re-sign him for another year or so.) Ulster new management and coaches are getting the message loud and clear - no more big spending after the last few year's fiasco, and develop your academies instead. Hence, Ulster having to field 3-4 academy players in a European cup tie this weekend - unheard of in Irish rugby before. That's the essential difference between union-run and privately-run, although a few Prem clubs seem to be adopting this approach in recent times.



  • Leinster playing Toulouse in the one of the games of Round 5 in Heineken Cup tomorrow. The French won by a point in Round 2, and a win at RDS should give them a chance of a home quarterfinal. Leinster have it all to do whilst missing Jack McGrath, Toner, SOB, Leavy, Sexton, Henshaw and R Kearney to injury and Lowe on a ban.

    Still should be a great match looking forward to being there.



  • @Derm-McCrum Whos is the 2 SA born players in the Hurricanes? I know Wes Goosen is one. Who's the other?



  • @Rebound

    Reggie Goodes? He retired last year after concussion issues.



  • @Rebound said in NH club rugby:

    @Derm-McCrum Whos is the 2 SA born players in the Hurricanes? I know Wes Goosen is one. Who's the other?

    Ricky Riccitelli



  • Italian, surely?



  • @sparky said in NH club rugby:

    @Rebound

    Reggie Goodes? He retired last year after concussion issues.

    @Higgins is right; it's Riccitelli. Goodes hasn't only retired, he also has a NZ passport. He's coaching in Japan atm.



  • Former World Cup-winning All Black Zac Guildford has left another club mid-season.

    The troubled All Black – who has had well-publicised issues with alcohol in his past – took to social media to announce his decision to leave French ProD2 side Nevers, who he signed with last year.

    He scored three tries in 10 appearances for the club.

    “My time @usonneversrugby has come to an end,” Guildford said on Instagram.

    However, on this occasion, there was no apparent off-field incident preceding the decision to leave.
    “It’s not the way I wanted things to be but I’d like to thank everyone in Nevers for the support and opportunity especially the president. So grateful for the understanding of the club that I need to be with my family at this time,”

    Guildford added: “Before any second hand rumours come out there were no incidents I just have to do this for myself and my family to better my future. Much love to all.”



  • As he's playing his club rugby in the NH, I'm posting this here (couldn't find a better thread):

    From Nemani Nadolo's instagram:

    I thought I'd be the first to let you all know that i'v called it a day playing for my beloved country Fiji. First and foremost I want to thank the almighty for without him i believe I would never have gotten this far. The moment I debuted as a "caretaker" of the jersey back in 2010 I would have never thought I'd have played for this long and represented the tiny island of Fiji. I want to thank all the coaches, trainers, physios and people I have come in contact with during my time as a "caretaker" of the jersey. To all the past and present players whom i'v had the honour of playing along side with I want to say big VINAKA.. Most of all to the PEOPLE of Fiji both in Fiji and abroad. I just want to let you all know that it's been a pleasure to have represented you all over the years.. I believe this team belongs to the people of fiji and its because of you we find the motivation to play everytime we get the opportunity and for that I hope I haven't let you guys down. With the depth and current crop of outside backs coming through I have no doubt that the next "caretakers" of the jersey will do a great job.. Iv faced a few challenges over the last 18 month's both on and off the field. After speaking to my partner @kimstyleme for a long period of time about this I felt it was the right decision for me and my family moving forward. I still have a lot to prove and I look forward to doing that with my club @mhr_officiel.. I wish the coaches and the current squad all the best for the future and have no doubt they will do well!.. #vinaka #veilomani ❤
    

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    He has struggled with a lot of injuries the past two years, so it's an understandable decision, but a great loss to Fiji. I'll certainly miss him playing in the white jersey!



  • This was pretty neat... If Facebook links work...



  • Boudjellal reveals leaving date as Toulon soap saga takes fresh twist

    Let’s start with the big one: Owner Mourad Boudjellal has revealed he will leave the club … in just over four years.
    
    And they begin – in honest-to-goodness daytime soap-style – with a mass character cull. The 2018/19 has been, in Boudjellal’s own words, ‘a saison de merde’ – and he warned fans to expect to wade through more merde to come as the club realigns itself.
    
    He has promised major changes in personnel coming soon to a screen near you, with between 12 and 15 arrivals and numerous departures in the pipeline ahead of next season – with some major announcements in the weeks to come.
    
    “It’s time to bid farewell to guys who may not have been European champions. That way, we can stop talking about the past, stop comparing. I’m going on a new project. In the coming weeks, there will be many announcements in both directions.”
    
    Eight of those 12 to 15 arrivals have already been confirmed, headlined by Eben Etzebeth, Nehe Milner-Skudder and Baptiste Serin. Importantly, for French player-quota regulations as much as Boudjellal’s ‘new project’, five are French. Six are under 25 and none are over 30.
    
    Meanwhile, so far, seven players’ contracts have been renewed. None of this batch of players, which includes Anthony Belleau and Louis Carbonel, are over 25. Five are French.
    
    Montpellier-bound 32-year-old Guilhem Guirado is the big departure after five years at the club, while Malakai Fekitoa is on his way to Wasps. To date, five players are known to be leaving at the end of the season. Apart from Georgian academy hooker Badri Alkhazashvili, all are over 25.
    
    And, looking to Boudjellal’s ‘new project’: Juandre Kruger, Mamuka Gorgodze, Francois Trinh-Duc, and JP Pietersen are among seven players at the end of their contracts. Some may get new deals but the trend appears to be for younger players.
    
    Boudjellal’s comments also suggest the club is willing to do a Stade Francais, and agree terms to cut loose other players who are not yet in the final year of their current deals.
    
    The youth factor was lost in the headlines when Etzebeth and Milner-Skudder were revealed as future Toulon players in December. A new centre will be developed to replace the prefabs sprouting all over the training ground at Berg. It will be operational by 2020.
    
    The idea is to build what the club and Boudjellal have billed as a “factory of champions”.
    
    “Not a single talent from the region should escape us,” the president said at a special meeting to unveil the plans in December.
    
    “We want a reference system and standards for all youth teams with the RCT label. With the desire to put players at the centre of the system but also to promote in-house training for educators,” added Laurent Emmanuelli, head of sports policy at the club. (...)
    
    “The RCT must regain a strong identity that encompasses everyone from mini rugby to pros, but also alumni. The sports project will be based on a team built with players from the training centre and the region, but also with the possibility of seeking skills with a margin of progress in the Top 14 or Pro D2.
    
    “And finally, foreigners who bring real added value”.
    
    Boudjellal has spoken of his ‘Made in France’ vision of Toulon’s future previously. But this was the first concrete development towards that future. In it, big-name overseas stars have been reduced to third in the list of priorities, behind local, then French players.
    



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    But, at least they like rugby







  • You don't frighten us, English pig-dog! Go and boil your bottoms, son of a silly person. ** I blow my nose on you, ** so-called Arthur-king, you and your silly English K...kaniggets

    https://www.bbc.com/sport/rugby-union/47309546



  • Classy from the Toulon coach. I guess someone from the club had to be



  • @canefan said in NH club rugby:

    Classy from the Toulon coach. I guess someone from the club had to be

    The thing is, it's not like they have any better options. He is still performing better then the guys behind him who are journeymen at best.


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