Aussie Rugby



  • @antipodean Exactly what I was thinking.



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:

    The same Pat Howard that oversaw Australian cricket's low ebb? The same one Warney called a muppet?

    Why he seems a perfect announcement from RA.

    Crazy

    I mentioned his name a couple of weeks ago as a joke



  • @NTA and @barbarian and any other Aussie TSF members:

    There was a time not so long ago where as a Saffa I was extremely jealous of Australian rugby administration.
    With a relatively small base of players, Aussie rugby somehow managed to produce excellent results both in Super Rugby and at international level.
    The Brumbies back in their glory days were the epitome of this for me.

    What, if anything has changed?



  • Scott Johnson is the name I'd be querying most in that line up.



  • @booboo said in Aussie Rugby:

    Scott Johnson is the name I'd be querying most in that line up.

    I’m still holding out hope he takes over from Krusty .



  • @Billy-Webb said in Aussie Rugby:

    @NTA and @barbarian and any other Aussie TSF members:

    There was a time not so long ago where as a Saffa I was extremely jealous of Australian rugby administration.
    With a relatively small base of players, Aussie rugby somehow managed to produce excellent results both in Super Rugby and at international level.
    The Brumbies back in their glory days were the epitome of this for me.

    What, if anything has changed?

    People who entered into the administrative sphere of Rugby under the auspices of an all-time Wallaby Greats lineup?

    Don't honestly know, besides that. Take away onfield performance and everyone in the back office looks like a dickhead, don't they?



  • @voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:

    I worked with him for some time. He is a really good guy. Gets on with everyone, always had time to spend with the juniors. Massive rolodex, can get in front of any CEO in the country (any rugby playing nation I expect). Had a great time with him and clients at the 2011 RWC.

    He's certainly not dumb, with no long history in finance he was able to understand different products and communicate with clients. As for being qualified to be a corporate CEO, I'm not sure. Expect he would need a solid team around him, especially around risk and ops functions.

    His on-camera persona is a bit at odds with all that I know. I think some of it is caused by genuine passion from a bloke that loved nothing more than competing for his country. And some of it is just a love of winding people up and being a bit controversial.

    I'd suggest you take his comments with a grain of salt, they're probably not always reflective of what he is actually thinking.

    I don't have any personal experience with him but I do know this.

    In 2017 I was catching up with a good mate in the US. He's a proper Brisbane grammar school boy, died in the wool Wallaby supporter, thinks NZ are cheats etc - standard Aus private school view. Anyway, he was just back from his sisters wedding - she had married a producer at Fox Sports in Oz.

    Said that Kearns is a Grade A fluffybunny. Everybody at Fox hates him, has such a massive opinion of himself, and loves to belittle others - no matter how small or large it is.

    SEcond hand info, but I have no reason to doubt it and quite the opposite of what you said. Still, could make him a decent CEO tho!



  • @MajorRage I prefer to believe you. Because Kearns.



  • @MajorRage Interesting!



  • @voodoo said in Aussie Rugby:

    @MajorRage Interesting!

    To be fair he’s a Queenslander as is his brother in law do already done blue / red rivalry there



  • @Billy-Webb said in Aussie Rugby:

    @NTA and @barbarian and any other Aussie TSF members:

    There was a time not so long ago where as a Saffa I was extremely jealous of Australian rugby administration.
    With a relatively small base of players, Aussie rugby somehow managed to produce excellent results both in Super Rugby and at international level.
    The Brumbies back in their glory days were the epitome of this for me.

    What, if anything has changed?

    We responded far better than others to the advent of professionalism. Our high performance set-up was a decade ahead of where some other nations were.

    And then everyone else caught up. And now it's largely a level playing field, and we are exposed because of our smaller player base.

    The biggest errors were made after the 2003 World Cup, when the ARU was cashed up and the future looked bright. We squandered the millions and focussed too heavily on the professional game.

    There's still a feeling that we can reclaim the success of previous eras, but there's a large part of our base that have their heads still stuck in 1999 - where power was largely housed in NSW and QLD clubs, we spun it wiiiiide and won world cups for fun.



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:

    @Bovidae The same Pat Howard that oversaw Australian cricket's low ebb? The same one Warney called a muppet?

    The verdict on Pat Howard in cricketing circles has turned around a bit with the World Cup overperformance and the Ashes victory.

    I'm not necessarily advocating for his appointment, but he has his admirers in the cricketing world.

    And I'd think being called a muppet by Warney probably makes you more employable...



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    the World Cup overperformance

    the what?



  • @mariner4life said in Aussie Rugby:

    @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    the World Cup overperformance

    the what?

    Turnaround is probably the better word. Our ODI performance was rubbish over the four year period, but we came good at the World Cup.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    @Billy-Webb said in Aussie Rugby:

    @NTA and @barbarian and any other Aussie TSF members:

    There was a time not so long ago where as a Saffa I was extremely jealous of Australian rugby administration.
    With a relatively small base of players, Aussie rugby somehow managed to produce excellent results both in Super Rugby and at international level.
    The Brumbies back in their glory days were the epitome of this for me.

    What, if anything has changed?

    We responded far better than others to the advent of professionalism. Our high performance set-up was a decade ahead of where some other nations were.

    And then everyone else caught up. And now it's largely a level playing field, and we are exposed because of our smaller player base.

    The biggest errors were made after the 2003 World Cup, when the ARU was cashed up and the future looked bright. We squandered the millions and focussed too heavily on the professional game.

    There's still a feeling that we can reclaim the success of previous eras, but there's a large part of our base that have their heads still stuck in 1999 - where power was largely housed in NSW and QLD clubs, we spun it wiiiiide and won world cups for fun.

    I wonder how much they squandered on league players in the early 2000s?



  • @jegga said in Aussie Rugby:

    I wonder how much they squandered on league players in the early 2000s?

    Millions. One of the great mistakes of the time, no doubt.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    @jegga said in Aussie Rugby:

    I wonder how much they squandered on league players in the early 2000s?

    Millions. One of the great mistakes of the time, no doubt.

    We squandered millions more in the early years trying to keep union players OUT of loig. Empty threats



  • @barbarian didn't that period also correspond with the league wars leaving more media space for rugby?



  • @SidBarret said in Aussie Rugby:

    @barbarian didn't that period also correspond with the league wars leaving more media space for rugby?

    Not really- the League wars were around 97-98, where our binge on leaguies took place in the early 2000s.



  • Hey all - despite the three-ring shitshow that is the professional game, those of us in the trenches against League, AFL, and Soccer still have to run our clubs. SO fuck it - if you know anyone living in NW Sydney who wants a club or just wants to come down and buy our beer, send them this way:

    https://www.facebook.com/RouseHillRugby/



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    @SidBarret said in Aussie Rugby:

    @barbarian didn't that period also correspond with the league wars leaving more media space for rugby?

    Not really- the League wars were around 97-98, where our binge on leaguies took place in the early 2000s.

    @SidBarret - the SuperLeague war probably did boost the price of our existing stocks, peripherally at least, at the advent of professionalism in rugby. It was well noted that guys like Tim Horan and Jason Little were in the sights of League clubs and that gave their management bargaining power.

    https://www.couriermail.com.au/sport/rugby/wallaby-greats-tim-horan-and-jason-little-sit-down-for-a-sunday-session-with-crash/news-story/7180b7d8f8d451d5be114330e78e43f7

    Now I think about it 🤔 probably why we have had a history of backs being paid more than forwards; the forwards weren't targeted to the same degree.



  • @NTA I watched an interview with Horan the other week and he reckons he was gone to league until he fucked his knee.

    Strange but huge save for Aussie rugby



  • @NTA said in Aussie Rugby:

    Now I think about it 🤔 probably why we have had a history of backs being paid more than forwards; the forwards weren't targeted to the same degree.

    Forwards are the reason teams win at international level; those deeply ingrained skillsets and decisionmaking is critical in union. League has fewer specialised skills, but doesn't value the Union forward skillsets that get to the pinnacle (work over the ball, set pieces).

    Backs skills are more transferable between codes (within reason).

    Also, Jonah would have been amazing as a WR in NFL 😃



  • @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    Jonah would have been amazing as a WR in NFL

    Because he wouldn't have to turn in defence very often 😉



  • @NTA said in Aussie Rugby:

    @nzzp said in Aussie Rugby:

    Jonah would have been amazing as a WR in NFL

    Because he wouldn't have to turn in defence very often 😉

    Yep, absolutely. Imagine trying to tackle a guy with that sort of balance. That's the killer thing for him - his balance was exceptional; he'd get hit but stay up. Incredible player



  • Rugby AU chairman Cameron Clyne to stand down

    Rugby Australia chairman Cameron Clyne has announced he will stand down in 2020, confirming on Monday that he wouldn't seek re-election in March's AGM.
    
    Clyne took over as chairman at the end of 2015 and has overseen a roller coaster period in Australian rugby.
    
    It's a move that will likely be welcomed by sectors of the rugby community, with the former NAB CEO coming in for plenty of fan criticism during his tenure, seen as the face of the decision to axe the Western Force.
    
    Clyne said he was still dedicated to ensuring some key developments were overseen in his final months.
    
    “Over the next four months I, along with the rest of the board, remain committed to overseeing the delivery of a new broadcast deal, the appointment of a new Wallabies head coach, and the conclusion of the legal matter involving Israel Folau.
    
    Exactly who his successor will be remains to be seen with vice-chairman Brett Robinson having fulfilled his maximum nine-year term.
    
    Three positions were already needing to be replaced when April's AGM rolls around, with Ann Sherry resigning and Robinson and Paul McLean's positions vacant. 
    


  • @Stargazer said in Aussie Rugby:

    Cameron Clyne

    I don't know a single person who will be sorry to see him go.



  • saw a report today that Kerevi wants to backdoor his way in to playing for Fiji





  • @Stargazer booooring



  • @antipodean said in Aussie Rugby:

    @Stargazer said in Aussie Rugby:

    Cameron Clyne

    I don't know a single person who will be sorry to see him go.

    Shuffle the deck chairs, Jeeves.



  • Just had a chat with the local Gilbert rep. Fucking hell the jersey they developed with Otago is a nice piece of kit. Might go with that for next year.



  • @NTA Are they doing all the provinces like Super? Nope, answer my own question, they're different for each province.



  • Rennie gets the nod, apparently. Pretty good outcome I think.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    Rennie gets the nod, apparently. Pretty good outcome I think.

    But I guess he doesn't come with Wayne Smith attached, so a good win for Ozzie, maybe not great. However I really hope the great Ozzie public (and media/ex-players/etc) give him a chance. Deans was appallingly treated, and to the detriment of the team. certainly he will be a better coach than Cheika. His problem will be getting the team on board, cos there have been some real crap by Wallabies vs their coaches - Cheika had that bit nailed.



  • @barbarian There goes my choice for the ABs. Alan Jones will be (more) vocal today.



  • @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    Rennie gets the nod, apparently. Pretty good outcome I think.

    Dead.To.Me.



  • @Nepia said in Aussie Rugby:

    @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    Rennie gets the nod, apparently. Pretty good outcome I think.

    Dead.To.Me.

    If he can make Australia great again, I'm happy enough.



  • It's official:

    Dave Rennie appointed Qantas Wallabies Head Coach

    Rugby Australia has today announced the appointment of Dave Rennie as Head Coach of the Qantas Wallabies.
    
    Rennie will fulfil his current commitments with Glasgow Warriors before joining the Qantas Wallabies in July 2020 on a three-and-a-half-year deal that will see him leadAustralia at the 2023 Rugby World Cup.
    
    An accomplished and highly respected leader, Rennie joined the Chiefs as Head Coach in 2012 and enjoyed instant success winning back-to-back Vodafone Super Rugby titles in his first two years in charge. The Hamilton-based side played finals in each of the six seasons he spent with the Chiefs, a mark that is unmatched by any Head Coach in competition history.
    
    Prior to the Chiefs, Rennie took the Wellington Lions to a first ITM Cup title in 14 years as Head Coach in 2000, and later steered New Zealand Under 20’s to three consecutive world titles from 2008 to 2010.
    
    Rennie was named Head Coach of Glasgow Warriors for the 2017/18 season and in his second year he took the Scottish outfit to the Pro 14 Final and the Quarter Finals of theEuropean Champions Cup, the first time the Warriors have made the playoffs in both competitions.
    
    Today’s announcement is the result of an extensive search which included in-depth analysis of all of the leading experienced coaching candidates in world Rugby.
    
    Rugby Australia Chief Executive, Raelene Castle said: “This is a massive coup for Australian Rugby, Dave Rennie was the clear standout candidate for the job, and we’re thrilled to havesecured his services.”
    
    “Dave’s coaching philosophy focuses equally on football and team culture, the key pillars to building sustainable success in any team. He has a proven track record in the Northernand Southern Hemisphere.
    
    “Given incumbent Head Coach, Michael Cheika had indicated in early 2019 the possibility that he would not seek re-appointment for the role, we needed to identify a list of candidates that would be available to us, and suitable to work within our new High Performance framework. This search has been ongoing for the past six months.
    
    “When Michael then confirmed he would not seek re-appointment following our Rugby World Cup exit, we moved to appoint our preferred candidate.
    
    “I have had extensive conversations with Dave, and he was interviewed by Rugby Australia Chairman, Cameron Clyne and fellow Board Directors and former Wallabies, Brett Robinson and Phil Waugh before being appointed to the role.
    
    “It was important to Dave to see out his contract with Glasgow and he will commence with the Wallabies at the completion of the Pro 14 season. Between now and June, the Wallabies Assistant Coaches and Director of Rugby, Scott Johnson will take the lead in working with the players under Dave’s guidance and direction.
    
    “Dave and Scott worked closely together during their time in Scotland and will join forces once again to implement Rugby Australia’s National High Performance Plan. With Dave as Head Coach, and Scott managing our off-field program, the Wallabies have the right structure in place to build for the next era of sustained success,” said Castle.
    
    Incoming Qantas Wallabies Head Coach, Dave Rennie said: “My wife, Steph and I have spent the past few months considering our future and we’re really excited about our decision.
    
    “I’ve been coaching professionally for over 20 years and wherever I’ve gone, I’ve immersed myself in the community and culture. I believe I can make a difference here.
    
    “There are some outstanding young men coming through the schools system. I want to create a strong connection with the Super Rugby and national age grade Coaches and help them achieve their goals, which will benefit the Wallabies in time.
    
    “When I met Raelene Castle, I was really impressed with her plans for the future of Australian Rugby and I’m keen to be part of that.
    
    “We’ve loved our time here in Glasgow. The Coaching group and management are absolutely world class. The work ethic and passion of the players has been incredible, and we will miss them,” said Rennie.
    


  • @Hooroo said in Aussie Rugby:

    @Nepia said in Aussie Rugby:

    @barbarian said in Aussie Rugby:

    Rennie gets the nod, apparently. Pretty good outcome I think.

    Dead.To.Me.

    If he can make Australia great again, I'm happy enough.

    He'll be extra dead to me then. I don't want Australia great, competitive yes, great no frikking way.


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