All Whites
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I've just watched the game against USA where we got a well-deserved 1-1 draw in DC. In the first game vs Mexico we were competitive too in a 2-1 loss (including a dubious penalty).
Based on the performances in these 2 games Hudson might have a bit more substance to him than I thought. He has definitely changed the style of play where they press high up the pitch, look much more comfortable in possession and play from the back. Long balls are no longer the first option.
As always the All Whites rely on a few key players. None more so than Reid who was immense in both games. But Wood, McGlinchey and Boxall are also important to the performance of the team.
Qualifying for Russia might not be such a longshot.
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Fuck, was that on Sky? Great result, would be amazing if we made another WC.
And yeah yeah I know it was only a draw, but a draw means an awful lot more in Soccer then other sports before the negative nellies get here.
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All Whites have been mostly terrible under Hudson so I'm surprised to see the good result. I think he has mostly changed how we play when we don't have the ball. I still think we need to put in a little bit of work when we have the ball. Part of the problem is that we haven't really had the combinations. We were probably the better team today and only conceded through a keeping error.
Problem with qualifying for Russia is we have to play the 5th South American team. Right now that is Argentina. We don't want to have to play them, Brazil, Uruguay, Chile or Ecuador (Quito is 2900 above sea level - makes jo'burg look easy). Colombia or Paraguay would be our best bets. At least we get the Confederations Cup next year to prepare.
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I'm not a fan per se, but good to hear we are being competitive and Reid is back.
I watched him play vs Middlesborough a week or so ago and I thought he played well given Boro had most of the possession and West Ham were doing a lot of efending.
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All Whites U20 lads had a draw against Vietnam and tonight a meritorious 3-1 win vs Honduras. They are all but assured of advancing to the round of 16 of the U20 WC but have to face France in the next match
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I watched the 1st half of the Vietnam match and was surprised to hear that the result was 0-0. Vietnam created plenty of chances in the 1st half.
A good result overnight though. France is one of the favourites so getting something out of that match would have been very difficult (they beat Vietnam 4-0). 4 pts is usually enough to advance to the next round provided they don't get blown out by France and end up with a negative GD.
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@Bovidae said in All Whites:
I watched the 1st half of the Vietnam match and was surprised to hear that the result was 0-0. Vietnam created plenty of chances in the 1st half.
A good result overnight though. France is one of the favourites so getting something out of that match would have been very difficult (they beat Vietnam 4-0). 4 pts is usually enough to advance to the next round provided they don't get blown out by France and end up with a negative GD.
Park the big white bus mate!!!
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And speaking of the All Whites...
All Whites squad for pre-Confederations Cup tour
Goalkeepers: Stefan Marinovic, Glen Moss, Tamati Williams
Defenders: Michael Boxall, Sam Brotherton, Kip Colvey, Tom Doyle, Andrew Durante, Storm Roux, Tommy Smith, Themi Tzimopoulos, Deklan Wynne, Dane Ingham
Midfielders: Michael McGlinchey, Ryan Thomas, Clayton Lewis, Bill Tuiloma, Marco Rojas, Alex Rufer
Forwards: Kosta Barbarouses, Monty Patterson, Shane Smeltz, Chris Wood​
Fixtures (All NZ time)
June 3 v Northern Ireland
June 7 v Cabinteely
June 12 v Belarus
June 18, 3am v Russia (Confederations Cup)
June 21, 6am v Mexico (Confederations Cup)
June 25, 3am v Portugal (Confederations Cup) -
Pity Michael Fitzgerald can no longer play for the side - we need all the help we can get. Would also add GK Jake Gleeson instead of Glen Moss/Tamati Williams.
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@canefan So far, we're doing as well as England.
But more surprisingly, we're doing better than Germany, Portugal, Italy, Japan and, notably, Argentina, who are already knocked out.
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@Chris-B. said in All Whites:
@canefan So far, we're doing as well as England.
But more surprisingly, we're doing better than Germany, Portugal, Italy, Japan and, notably, Argentina, who are already knocked out.
I watched last night. We did well to withstand the pressure after letting a goal in and score again
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@Chris-B. I have only watched a little of the action but France, Venezuela and Uruguay look to be the 3 best teams.
The Zambia-Iran game was bizarre. I saw Iran take a 2-0 lead early in the second half from a penalty, after an early fuck-up by the Zambian GK gifted a goal in the first 10 mins. I did something else for 30 mins and switched back to the game and Zambia now led 4-2.
At this level anything can happen so I wouldn't be surprised if the eventual winner wasn't one of the 3 countries above. Serbia upset Brazil in the final in NZ 2 years ago.
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That Confed Cup squad is a bit weak. What made us a good team in 2010 was our defence and centre midfielders. Our defence is good with Smith and Reid there but our midfield is a big weakness.
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@hydro11 No Ryan Nelsen to organise the defence. I'm sure Reid would have been doing that role at the Confed Cup. Dura might be the man this time.
Simon Elliott was the unsung hero in 2010 as the holding midfielder.
So for the U20s tonight, a Honduras win or draw with Vietnam means NZ would go through as group runners-up. Vietnam would need a comprehensive win to improve their GD to move into 2nd. If that happened then a NZ loss to France wouldn't be too bad provided they don't leak goals and have to fight it out as one of the 3rd placed teams.
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The NZ U20s are currently trailing 2-0 to France so now have a GD of 0. Vietnam and Honduras are locked at 0-0. As it stands NZ would finish 2nd in their group.
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Final score 2-0 to France. As Honduras beat Vietnam 2-0 we qualify 2nd in the group and move to the Round of 16, probably against USA.
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USA leading by 1 at the half in a physical encounter. Cameron Carter-Vickers got two bizarre YCs getting himself sent off. That makes three of their first team players out of the next round clash
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The end of the road for the NZ U20s losing to USA. I watched the 1st half and we spent most of the time defending to trail 1-0 from a deflected shot. Same old story on attack though, no service to the strikers meant a lack of shots on goal, or any real attacking threat.
I'm glad I didn't stay up for the 2nd half as the USA scored 5 unanswered goals.
And to prove my point on how unpredictable this tournament is, Italy upset France 2-1 in the other late game. France was one of the favourites and had beaten Italy 4-0 in the UEFA European U-19 Championship final a year ago.
The All Whites play Northern Ireland at 6:45 am tomorrow on SS2.
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England are the U20 football WC champions!
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It's 1966 all over again!
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Is country hopping allowed in football? Now that Roy Krishna has obtained NZ citizenship, can he play for the All Whites (after already having played for Fiji)? If not, can he still play for Fiji? How does that work in football?
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If I remember correctly, there is no country swapping once you made senior international team
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@stargazer It will mean he is not classified as an overseas player for the Phoenix.
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I thought it applied at age grade level as well? Didn't Rory Fallon or someone have to make a call to turn down an England youth team as it would commit him forever?
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@booboo said in All Whites:
I thought it applied at age grade level as well? Didn't Rory Fallon or someone have to make a call to turn down an England youth team as it would commit him forever?
It used to.
FIFA used to be the poster boy for strict nationality qualifications. They relaxed it about a decade ago
Now it is only competitive senior internationals that bind a player to one country.
In 2014 Diego Costa made his debut for Brazil, in a friendly, then switched a few months later to Spain (on residency) and played for Spain in the 2014 world cup in Brazil.
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@rapido said in All Whites:
@booboo said in All Whites:
I thought it applied at age grade level as well? Didn't Rory Fallon or someone have to make a call to turn down an England youth team as it would commit him forever?
It used to.
FIFA used to be the poster boy for strict nationality qualifications. They relaxed it about a decade ago
Now it is only competitive senior internationals that bind a player to one country.
In 2014 Diego Costa made his debut for Brazil, in a friendly, then switched a few months later to Spain (on residency) and played for Spain in the 2014 world cup in Brazil.
Oh wow! That is interesting, so you can play a friendly and not be tied.
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Big bump.
WELLINGTON, July 17 (Reuters) - New Zealand coach Danny Hay says his side will be able to test themselves against some of the best players in the world when they face FIFA's top-ranked team Belgium in a friendly in October. New Zealand Football (NZF) said on Friday the match in Brussels had been arranged for Oct. 8, though it still required approval from authorities. International football has been on hold since March due to COVID-19 but will ramp up in September with the UEFA Nations League. The match precedes Belgium's friendlies against England away on Oct. 11 and Iceland on Oct. 14.
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After getting excited that the All Whites would be playing two European heavyweights in Belgium and England covid-19 has changed those plans. The game against Belgium was already cancelled and now this...
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@Bovidae hugely disappointed for the AW. For some players that would be in pinnacle of their career
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LOL.
No more All Whites?
New Zealand Football are contemplating dropping the moniker for the men's national team.
It's just amazing that people can be so dumb.
On topic, the worse thing about the AW colours and name is that stupid fundamentalist football kit-clash rules means that a team is playing in all white in about 1/3 of all international games.
It was a reasonably rare combo. Real Madrid, Leeds etc That's about it. Now it is every third team's alt kit or 3rd kit if their second kit has a clash of socks with another teams collar.
Despite that rant, I'd keep it.
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This shouldn't surprise anyone. To the casual observer, the name All Whites would have to raise an eyebrow, minimum. Even to most of the football world to whom our roundball identity hangs by a thread, the name would have to conjure the occasional "what the fuck?"
Those in the rugby world will realise the connection. Whether they're aware of how the All Blacks moniker came about, or not, they'll be familiar with the brand and the uniform and will realise that 'All Whites' is simply piggy-backing off New Zealands' most recognisable sporting brand. They'll know there is no malice or underlying intent in the name, and that it (both) came about during an age when these things were analysed far less and people didn't have the heightened level of sensitivity and desperation to be outraged that they have today.
But today is today, and maybe it's appropriate to review a team name that really only piggy-backs on a far more renowned one, as Rapido says has an increasingly tenuous link to a formerly unique playing strip and might just be so borderline offensive it has to go.
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Sorry roundball fans, but also a good opportunity to ditch the all white strip and get into a much cooler and nationally appropriate black one. Perhaps we could then call them the New Zealand Kea. Or Pukeko.
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So the White Ferns are next?
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@bovidae said in All Whites:
So the White Ferns are next?
Similar context. But at least a casual observer might think there is such a thing as a white fern (like a silver fern) and not take instant offense.
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Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
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@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
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@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
@hooroo said in All Whites:
@windows97 said in All Whites:
Soccer NZ, yet again thinking of ways to become even more irrelevant to the majority of New Zealanders...
You reckon the majority of NZers will be against this change? Why?
"Get woke go broke" exists as a phrase for a reason and that will be my summary.
I don't understand that. Sounds pretty weak.
Your obviously looking for an argument but I'm not going to give you one sorry. If you really think this is going to make NZ soccer more relevant and swell player numbers then jolly good. You can come online and say I told you so if it pleases you.
? No. I just don't think it will make them more irrelevant as you suggested.
Looking for an argument! That's fucking gold. Go Internetter!
