Ireland II



  • @SynicBast Yes, can't wait for that Crotty-ALB combo being restored.



  • I thought Fekitoa was quite good today especially on defence, certainly one of his better tests. His yellow was the result of a poor (one of many) Aaron Smith clearance after just coming out of trouble.



  • @Luigi my apologies. I'd rather invite my ex around for a cup of coffee and say" you've got 80 uninterrupted minutes to point out my failings as a husband " than listen to him.



  • @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @Tordah said in Ireland II:

    @taniwharugby said in Ireland II:

    @Tordah what happened?

    After Fekitoa scored and Barrett was lining up the conversion, the usual TV director shit comes up and he shows the last pass which was flat, a few in the stadium start to boo, Rory Best comes running from behind the posts up to Barrett who was preparing the kick and PEyper and wnats them to check

    Whats wrong with checking something having the correct call? The TMO has already fucked up once in this game. It should be 9-7 to Irish.

    It's the ref's duty to check the correctness of his calls, not the captain of the team that's lined up behind the posts having a conversion lined up against them. Jogging forward after the stadium has another of their whinges while Barrett is concentrating on a kick is extremely unsportsmanlike, but judging by you saying it should have been 9-7 Ireland, you obviously didn't watch the game at all, seeing Sexton trying to take Barrett's head off in the act of scoring a try



  • Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.

    All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?



  • Actually making tackles was the huge difference today.



  • I think the main thing to come out of this tour , despite our winning record, we have a lot to work on still



  • @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    Whats wrong with checking something having the correct call? The TMO has already fucked up once in this game. It should be 9-7 to Irish.

    Penalty try for illegal act in the attempt to prevent a try by neck tackle. Either way it is a try.



  • @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @Toddy said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan Don't stop there, Go full retard and suggest the All Blacks should be down to 7 players

    Well, they have showed total lack of discipline in this game. The score isn't a true reflection of the game. I'm not a one-eyed AB fan. Hope that makes you feel better (I'm not that like you, I don't take things to a personal level).

    DOn't get me wrong, Ireland played well, but the ABs left at least a couple of tries out there. I said above - 9 points is a poor return at home, with a pack going like that, and 2 YC for the opposition. Ireland looked largely ineffectual with ball in hand - on antoher day, that's a win by more than 20



  • @kiwiinmelb said in Ireland II:

    I think the main thing to come out of this tour , despite our winning record, we have a lot to work on still

    The coaches and captain have been saying that all season.



  • @SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:

    Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.

    All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?

    Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.



  • The lack of AB accuracy was most surprising but they got the job done. Rettalick and Whitelock made the difference with ALB and Dagg definitely strengthening the backs. I guess there is no choice but to stick with Fekitoa but surely Savea and A Smith cannot start next week.



  • @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @rotated said in Ireland II:

    All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.

    Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.

    Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref

    It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press. 🙂



  • @DMX said in Ireland II:

    The lack of AB accuracy was most surprising but they got the job done. Rettalick and Whitelock made the difference with ALB and Dagg definitely strengthening the backs. I guess there is no choice but to stick with Fekitoa but surely Savea and A Smith cannot start next week.

    Unless Crotty is fit. Of course, there's still Tamanivalu ...



  • @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @rotated said in Ireland II:

    All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.

    Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.

    Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref

    It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press. 🙂

    Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me

    Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)

    THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify



  • @SimonAdd_2 Possibly. Also end of year, wrong season, beach barbecues and all that shit.
    I just think if you're even a heartbeat off your game, anyone in the top 10 on any given day can beat you. Irelands day was at Soldier Field Simple



  • I actually don't rate Fekitoa's Defence that highly:

    1. with the rush defence that we use, the decision making on where and when to tackle is paramount and I think he concentrates on speed out of the line without regard for how he is going to position himself for the tackle. He sems to be almost having to make the tackles with a let adjustment and the opposition player is almost past his shoulder.

    2. I thiink he is running the wrong lines, almost leaving too much room on his outside.

    3. He doesn't adjust at all well, sort of like a Fire andf forget missile - no post launch guidance mechanism.



  • We won and we deserved it. Some totally BS calls by the ref but he is always inconsistent.Only one card was justified the second one, the other wasn't. Where was the ref and his assistants when Barrett almost had his head taken off? Cannot believe they were reviewing the grounding when he was hit right in the face!

    I thought Fekitoa had a great game, he's not perfect but he was good and tackled like a demon. Rest of the team was fantastic in defence and good to see a bit of mongrel back. Was impressed with Squire as well, he lasted fine.

    Have to thank Ireland for a great couple of games. It goes to show how poor the Aussies and Saffies were in the championship. Pretty clear it us, and Ireland & England in the top three. Have to see how France play tonight.



  • @No-Quarter said in Ireland II:

    @SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:

    Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.

    All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?

    Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.

    Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?

    South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.

    New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.



  • The coaches should give themselves an uppercut as well. Aaron Smiths selection and performance for these two important Irish tests didnt work. The first you understand the second?



  • @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @Toddy said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan Don't stop there, Go full retard and suggest the All Blacks should be down to 7 players

    Well, they have showed total lack of discipline in this game. The score isn't a true reflection of the game. I'm not a one-eyed AB fan. Hope that makes you feel better (I'm not that like you, I don't take things to a personal level).

    DOn't get me wrong, Ireland played well, but the ABs left at least a couple of tries out there. I said above - 9 points is a poor return at home, with a pack going like that, and 2 YC for the opposition. Ireland looked largely ineffectual with ball in hand - on antoher day, that's a win by more than 20

    @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @Toddy said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan Don't stop there, Go full retard and suggest the All Blacks should be down to 7 players

    Well, they have showed total lack of discipline in this game. The score isn't a true reflection of the game. I'm not a one-eyed AB fan. Hope that makes you feel better (I'm not that like you, I don't take things to a personal level).

    DOn't get me wrong, Ireland played well, but the ABs left at least a couple of tries out there. I said above - 9 points is a poor return at home, with a pack going like that, and 2 YC for the opposition. Ireland looked largely ineffectual with ball in hand - on antoher day, that's a win by more than 20

    Only thing they did well was defend. but sometimes a good sign of things is the defence i.e. keeping AB's out (in general). Compared to Chicago, Irish attack was crap. However AB's had some players back (helps to have great locks!) and Irish also lost players in the game (especially Sexton and Stander) . I think ABs really must start with TJ. Aaron really is off the boil.



  • @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @rotated said in Ireland II:

    All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.

    Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.

    Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref

    It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press. 🙂

    Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me

    Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)

    THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify

    You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
    We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.



  • People that try and recalculate the score based on a couple of decisions, as if the game would have played out exactly the same way if different decisions were made, are beyond retarded.



  • @No-Quarter said in Ireland II:

    People that try and recalculate the score based on a couple of decisions, as if the game would have played out exactly the same way if different decisions were made, are beyond retarded.

    That would make a great signature.



  • @SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:

    @No-Quarter said in Ireland II:

    @SimonAdd_2 said in Ireland II:

    Ireland just couldn't quite match the accuracy of Chicago. Broke the All Blacks line enough times, but hands let them down.

    All Blacks did enough, but still didn't look as superlative as we're used to seeing. Poor quality of this year's Rugby Championship perhaps giving a bit of an exaggerated perception?

    Perhaps, probably more to do with it being the end of a bloody long season. The Wallabies are still unbeaten, be interesting to see how they finish their tour.

    Isn't that the excuse you always used to scoff at the NH for using?

    South Africa are a mess. Australia were whitewashed at home and mentally broken by England before the RC, and only just squeaked past Scotland (!) last week. Argentina just lost to Wales AND Scotland.

    New Zealand are the best in the world, but the overall quality of the rest of the RC teams has been very poor this year.

    Boks are more than a mess. At the moment here in SA, we have lost faith in our team. I was more happy to see Italy win today (against boks) must because one of my mates is Italian and I know the party they would have.



  • ABS can only win by dirty cheating play.

    By the sounds of it, our defence was excellent, but still alot of errors and a few of our big names well off the pace.



  • i think it is fair to say that Hansen underestimated the Irish in Chicago and his selections did cost us dearly.



  • On the question about the high penalty count and the 2 YCs, Hansen responds: "All you want, is calls to be consistent. That's all I'm going to say about it."



  • I honestly expected a more comprehensive display from the Abs after the Chicago loss. Our loosies were well and truly outplayed after Cane left and our forwards in general were shaded by the Irish. I don't think we are that far ahead of the pack as originally thought. Ireland's injuries cost them dearly and were unlucky not too have scored on a couple of occasions. Fekitoa probably played his last game in an All Black jersey imo.



  • @SynicBast said in Ireland II:

    I actually don't rate Fekitoa's Defence that highly:

    1. with the rush defence that we use, the decision making on where and when to tackle is paramount and I think he concentrates on speed out of the line without regard for how he is going to position himself for the tackle. He sems to be almost having to make the tackles with a let adjustment and the opposition player is almost past his shoulder.

    2. I thiink he is running the wrong lines, almost leaving too much room on his outside.

    3. He doesn't adjust at all well, sort of like a Fire andf forget missile - no post launch guidance mechanism.

    I agree.

    But he is a good tackler 🙂



  • Irish forums complaining about the ref.

    I thought we got rode by Peyper.

    Our defence was pure awesome.

    The Irish are a bloody good side, especially in the forwards - their starting props, Toner, and especially their back row are very good. Backs lack a bit of x-factor.



  • Was just texted the score. Congrats lads.

    Looking forward to the re-re-match.



  • @Crucial said in Ireland II:

    @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @JustAnotherFan said in Ireland II:

    @nzzp said in Ireland II:

    @rotated said in Ireland II:

    All the window dressing aside Ireland have came to play today - they still don't have much on attack unless they catch you on a bad day - but absolutely full credit for actually fronting and giving a good tight test.

    Schmidt has Ireland playing the type of rugby Gatland has spent 10 years trying to get Wales to play.

    Yeah, 9 points is poor considering they had 20 minutes against 14, at home, with a crowd influencing a ref

    It isn't the ref making high tackles taking the head offs the opponents or doing the Aaron Smith offside play at the breakdown. Just curious why you say Peyper is a home town ref. Between him and TMO he gave AB's 14 points for free. He didn't have balls to go to TMO on a forward pass. We all know the try wasn't grounded by Beaudy. Refs must realize that with cams from all angles things get picked up. 2 errors from TMO / Peyper cost Ireland the game. Wait for the press. 🙂

    Are you trolling? I'll bite once, and that's me

    Clearly grounded the ball on the first replay angle (and a head high to boot)

    THe second was a line ball - once the ref calls it, you need more than a crowd booing to overturn. Looked fine to me - look at the lines on the ground and the hand action to clarify

    You don't need to look at lines on the ground only the action of the passer. There is no way barring incompetence that would be called a clear and obvious forward pass.
    We don't all know the ball wasn't grounded. I saw ball touch ground from one angle and doubt from another angle. The first over rules the second.

    Yep, but you need the lines to see where the hand action is. If you run a diagonal, you can't move your hands forward. That pass was fine.

    We should be talking about the BB knock on that robbed us of a try. ROBBED.

    WE WERE ROBBED. IRB MUST BE HELD TO ACCOUNT! REF MUST NEVER REFEREE AGAIN! HE IS BIASED AGAINST US!

    WE WOULD HAVE WON IF WE GET THAT.

    ok, rant over 🙂 It felt good



  • Have to say that Feki head high is one of the worst I have seen for some time and lucky not to get a red.



  • PH, do you think you can play better than Chicago ?

    Not a trick question , just curious ,

    I guess most think NZ can play a hell of a lot better , whether that happens or not who knows .

    I thought Ireland were as good today as Chicago , not much in it, so much guts and effort again ,

    NZ were better though , defensively heaps better , ,linespeed was like a different team altogether , and the lineout was functioning again due to their locks back ,

    that was the main difference for me



  • @Crucial said in Ireland II:

    @booboo said in Ireland II:

    @SynicBast said in Ireland II:

    @booboo said in Ireland II:

    Good argument for a PT on the deliberate knock on by Trimble

    The attempted intercept? I thought that was a good ref's call

    I think right call. But I've seen them given in exactly that situation.

    Agree but think it was a genuine attempt rather than a deliberate spoiler.
    There was a definite deliberate knock on later from an Irish player reaching one handed for a high ball

    Is that where the commentators were calling for a card because Kearney had been taken without the ball??

    Gee they made me laugh. In retrospect.

    Mrs boo very upset they would call BZ the All Blacks.



  • @akan004 said in Ireland II:

    I honestly expected a more comprehensive display from the Abs after the Chicago loss. Our loosies were well and truly outplayed after Cane left and our forwards in general were shaded by the Irish. I don't think we are that far ahead of the pack as originally thought. Ireland's injuries cost them dearly and were unlucky not too have scored on a couple of occasions. Fekitoa probably played his last game in an All Black jersey imo.

    That's because they had ASavea on the bench and not Todd.

    I doubt it will be Fekitoa's last AB jersey, but I hope he won't be playing France, either because Crotty is fit or because Tamanivalu gets another chance.



  • @Bones said in Ireland II:

    How was Smith's card even a penalty? Ball was out, he was onside and came right through the middle with no hands.

    Yet Savea gets tackled and Best gets a turnover with help from his players on the ground, Whitelock gets a turnover and it's scrum Ireland. Righto...

    Haven't been grumpy about a redereeing oerformance this year. But by crikey O'Piper was leaning heavily to the Paddies.

    Am sure it was down to the Barrett try which he disagreed with.


  • Banned

    That was shit. Shit discipline and and shit hot potato rugby. We suck donkeys balls under the highball. The midfield just didn't work and Feki has to go.

    Positives: Played with 14 men for 20 minutes, Ireland played like demons on speed, but we still won comfortably enough.

    BB and locks awesome.



  • @DMX It didn't help, but losing our two world class locks and getting cleaned up in the lineouts was the major reason IMO.


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