Eligibility back on the agenda



  • @majorrage I'm not happy with the way club rugby is going up here. I don't think that the preponderance of overseas signings is good for us or for the integrity of the game in other countries. How to combat that though is another matter.



  • Another article about the eligibility issue. Different approach.

    Changing Rugby’s Eligibility Rules: a short-term fix for a long-term problem



  • @antipodean said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    The reality is such a policy would only worsen things for PI nations as eligible players would elect to play for Tier One nations in the prime of their careers and then elect to take the place of younger players once they're bypassed.

    That's one option. Another is that the ex-ABs etc will bring knowledge and experience to the teams and the young players will learn something they otherwise couldn't.

    At least some of the whining is about players who somehow get picked once or twice for one country and then fall off the radar. The Sevens loophole gives backs an option which hasn't broken anything yet, so I wonder if there's an option somewhere in the middle. One answer could be to allow changes of allegiance for people with fewer than some number of caps in a qualifying team e.g. 2, so the genuine one-hit wonders don't get stuck, without compromising elsewhere.



  • @godder said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    @antipodean said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    The reality is such a policy would only worsen things for PI nations as eligible players would elect to play for Tier One nations in the prime of their careers and then elect to take the place of younger players once they're bypassed.

    That's one option. Another is that the ex-ABs etc will bring knowledge and experience to the teams and the young players will learn something they otherwise couldn't.

    At least some of the whining is about players who somehow get picked once or twice for one country and then fall off the radar. The Sevens loophole gives backs an option which hasn't broken anything yet, so I wonder if there's an option somewhere in the middle. One answer could be to allow changes of allegiance for people with fewer than some number of caps in a qualifying team e.g. 2, so the genuine one-hit wonders don't get stuck, without compromising elsewhere.

    They can also transfer that knowledge by coaching after they retire.

    As the second article that I posted explains, there are a lot of (legal and other) issues that need to be sorted. Maximum number of caps is only one of them. Achieving an eligibility rule that is satisfactory to all nations/players will be very difficult.



  • Another thing I am wondering, is the number of islanders moving to live in NZ much less now? Are teams, specifically Samoa who rely on Kiwis of Samoan decent, going to run out of young people who's grandparents were born in the islands? Not soon, maybe, but eventually a much lesser pool of kiwi born, raised and trained PI players.



  • @godder said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    @antipodean said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    The reality is such a policy would only worsen things for PI nations as eligible players would elect to play for Tier One nations in the prime of their careers and then elect to take the place of younger players once they're bypassed.

    That's one option. Another is that the ex-ABs etc will bring knowledge and experience to the teams and the young players will learn something they otherwise couldn't.

    As @Stargazer points out, there's different ways to skin a cat.

    At least some of the whining is about players who somehow get picked once or twice for one country and then fall off the radar. The Sevens loophole gives backs an option which hasn't broken anything yet, so I wonder if there's an option somewhere in the middle. One answer could be to allow changes of allegiance for people with fewer than some number of caps in a qualifying team e.g. 2, so the genuine one-hit wonders don't get stuck, without compromising elsewhere.

    There isn't sufficient time to see if the, IMO stupid, Olympics loophole will cause issues down the track. But professional players electing to represent a Tier 1 nations need to acknowledge that in doing so, the competition is higher and there's no guarantee of longevity. Further, the implication that players can go eligibility shopping once they're no longer competitive irritates me greatly - the idea is you're representing your country.

    I do feel some sympathy for players who are dual (or more) eligible and could have had long international careers, but made what in hindsight was a poor choice. However getting the balance right to permit these players to have a second shot is fraught with danger; the end state being Test rugby becomes a mercenary eligibility game.

    @machpants said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    Another thing I am wondering, is the number of islanders moving to live in NZ much less now? Are teams, specifically Samoa who rely on Kiwis of Samoan decent, going to run out of young people who's grandparents were born in the islands? Not soon, maybe, but eventually a much lesser pool of kiwi born, raised and trained PI players.

    I've thought that too. Once the grandparent criteria is largely extinguished as the exodus of the 1960-80s diminishes combined with the stricter ARU conditions, it seems the PI nations could suffer going forward. Obviously Samoa will still beat the Wallabies and Wales on occasion...



  • @machpants said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    Another thing I am wondering, is the number of islanders moving to live in NZ much less now? Are teams, specifically Samoa who rely on Kiwis of Samoan decent, going to run out of young people who's grandparents were born in the islands? Not soon, maybe, but eventually a much lesser pool of kiwi born, raised and trained PI players.

    We'll get to the stage eventually where the children of PI players can't play for that country. I do find that a bit strange and think that maybe there should be a 'parent' clause where if your parent played for a team (through heritage only) then you are eligible for that team.





  • EDIT: Ninja'd!

    FFS it makes you annoyed that me, Joe Public noob, can figure out what went on with Pulu and one of our 'respected, leading' rugby writers talks out his arse with click bait headlines

    Though I do feel sorry for Nacewa tho



  • @nepia said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    @machpants said in Eligibility back on the agenda:

    Another thing I am wondering, is the number of islanders moving to live in NZ much less now? Are teams, specifically Samoa who rely on Kiwis of Samoan decent, going to run out of young people who's grandparents were born in the islands? Not soon, maybe, but eventually a much lesser pool of kiwi born, raised and trained PI players.

    We'll get to the stage eventually where the children of PI players can't play for that country. I do find that a bit strange and think that maybe there should be a 'parent' clause where if your parent played for a team (through heritage only) then you are eligible for that team.

    I think the Bachop Samoan line was already back to grandmother for Stephen Bachop. So Jackson Garden-Bachop may fit that description unless he has links on the maternal side.