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  • taniwharugbyT Offline
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    so in response to the Chemical weapon attacks, Trump has ordered a military strike.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11834020

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    @taniwharugby said in Syria:

    so in response to the Chemical weapon attacks, Trump has ordered a military strike.

    http://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/news/article.cfm?c_id=2&objectid=11834020

    Massive win for Trump on the political side.
    It is almost tailor made to show that he is a stronger president than Obama, sends a message to other countries... and was a pretty limited strike.

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    About 10% of the cruise missiles used at the start of the Iraq war in 2003 which in itself is a worrying trend - the ability to engage in warfare without consequence. At least with troops on the ground, you have casualties which provide a moment of pause.

    You can make claims about the need to act after evidence of poisonous gas strikes, but this merely prolongs the war; removing a capability for Assad to deal with ISIS and the Rebels. The longer this goes on, the worse it gets for everyone.

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    @antipodean said in Syria:

    About 10% of the cruise missiles used at the start of the Iraq war in 2003 which in itself is a worrying trend - the ability to engage in warfare without consequence. At least with troops on the ground, you have casualties which provide a moment of pause.

    You can make claims about the need to act after evidence of poisonous gas strikes, but this merely prolongs the war; removing a capability for Assad to deal with ISIS and the Rebels. The longer this goes on, the worse it gets for everyone.

    Easier said than done when Assad and Putin are in bed together

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    @canefan Are you making an argument for regime change?

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    @antipodean Which one?

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    @canefan Take your pick, but they're currently fighting in Syria.

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    @antipodean said in Syria:

    @canefan Take your pick, but they're currently fighting in Syria.

    Always difficult, as we've seen in other countries, sometimes the new lot is worse than the current lot

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    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:

    Massive win for Trump on the political side.
    It is almost tailor made to show that he is a stronger president than Obama, sends a message to other countries... and was a pretty limited strike.

    There's definitely some political positives.

    However he is going against some clear statements from his campaign.

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    @Duluth said in Syria:

    @Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Syria:

    Massive win for Trump on the political side.
    It is almost tailor made to show that he is a stronger president than Obama, sends a message to other countries... and was a pretty limited strike.

    There's definitely some political positives.

    However he is going against some clear statements from his campaign.

    I think a chemical weapons attack on children is the best (most sellable) reason he could get for changing position.

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    I wonder what the next step is? A no fly zone?

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    @jegga said in Syria:

    I wonder what the next step is? A no fly zone?

    I don't think there will be a next step.

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    Stick to that thought, Donald.

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    @Tim

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    @Duluth @Tim

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    @NTA @Duluth @Tim

    Not sure what point you guys are trying to make? He should not have bombed? That he should not change his mind in 4 years?

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    @Baron-Silas-Greenback

    To his credit he has been anti-intervention in civil wars (especially against the recognised government) for years and right up until this week. It was a position that I endorse, and I think that he would do well to continue with it.

    I do not think that taking military action against both ISIS and Assad's military is in the interest of anyone in the west.

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    Did Trump say that he would not get involved in Syria under any circumstances? If so, he's a massive hypocrite. On the other hand, should he do nothing?

    That is the conundrum represented by the cluster fuck that is Syria. There is no good versus bad. The current regime is probably preferable to the guys they're fighting, but they use chemical weapons. It would seem that any course of action will have tragic consequences.

    As an aside, I watched a doco on Saudia Arabia last night. Fark the middle east is a shit box.

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    @Rancid-Schnitzel Military intervention is not the only option.

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