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    • Chris B.
      Chris B. last edited by Duluth

      Come on Razor. It's Thursday!!!

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      • Stargazer
        Stargazer last edited by

        Crusaders:

        1 Joe Moody, 2. Codie Taylor, 3. Owen Franks, 4. Scott Barrett, 5. Sam Whitelock (c), 6. Jordan Taufua, 7. Matt Todd (vc), 8. Kieran Read
        9 Mitchell Drummond, 10. Richie Mo'unga, 11. George Bridge, 12. Ryan Crotty (vc), 13. Jack Goodhue, 14. Seta Tamanivalu, 15. David Havili

        Reserves:
        16 Ben Funnell, 17. Wyatt Crockett, 18. Michael Alaalatoa, 19. Luke Romano, 20. Pete Samu, 21. Bryn Hall, 22. Mitchell Hunt, 23. Manasa Mataele

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        • Billy Tell
          Billy Tell last edited by

          That is pretty much the top XV, Dagg excepted. The backs seem younger and more lively this season - Bridge has been a great rookie find.

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          • Stargazer
            Stargazer @Billy Tell last edited by

            @Billy-Tell Yes, definitely their first choice forward pack. The backs are indeed still missing Dagg, and Ioane.

            Dagg posted on instagram today that it wouldn't be long before he could join the team again. After the Stormers game, the team will travel to South Africa, so I assume both Dagg and Ioane will miss that trip, but maybe they'll be good to go after that?

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              Frye @Billy Tell last edited by

              @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

              That is pretty much the top XV, Dagg excepted. The backs seem younger and more lively this season - Bridge has been a great rookie find.

              He has. I thought he was going to be another McNichol (as in take a couple of seasons to get good), but Bridge has almost hit the ground running.

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              • SammyC
                SammyC @Frye last edited by

                @Frye said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                That is pretty much the top XV, Dagg excepted. The backs seem younger and more lively this season - Bridge has been a great rookie find.

                He has. I thought he was going to be another McNichol (as in take a couple of seasons to get good), but Bridge has almost hit the ground running.

                He's already a big upgrade on McNichol.

                Love the way he seems to accelerate into contact. McNichol often did the opposite

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                • ACT Crusader
                  ACT Crusader @Stargazer last edited by

                  @Stargazer said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                  @Billy-Tell Yes, definitely their first choice forward pack. The backs are indeed still missing Dagg, and Ioane.

                  Dagg posted on instagram today that it wouldn't be long before he could join the team again. After the Stormers game, the team will travel to South Africa, so I assume both Dagg and Ioane will miss that trip, but maybe they'll be good to go after that?

                  It will be interesting to see if Digby makes the run on XV. I don't think it's anywhere near a given as Bridge is playing well. Seta is an AB with huge upside and Dagg to come back.

                  Havili whilst not really a fullback has been better than expected. Dagg you would think will take that spot back, but it could be that Dagg slots on to the wing where his AB spot seems to be right now.

                  It goes without saying but Razor could do the right thing and let Dagg run the cutter where he should be....

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                  • Stargazer
                    Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

                    Stormers:
                    15 Dillyn Leyds, 14 Cheslin Kolbe, 13 EW Viljoen, 12 Dan du Plessis, 11 Bjorn Basson, 10 Robert du Preez, 9 Dewaldt Duvenage, 8 Sikhumbuzo Notshe, 7 Pieter-Steph du Toit, 6 Nizaam Carr, 5 Chris van Zyl, 4 Eben Etzebeth (c), 3 Wilco Louw, 2 Bongi Mbonambi, 1 JC Janse van Rensburg

                    Bench: 16 Ramone Samuels, 17 Oli Kebble, 18 Frans Malherbe, 19 Jan de Klerk, 20 Cobus Wiese, 21 Jano Vermaak, 22 Kurt Coleman, 23 Dan Kriel

                    All Out Rugby Staff Writer  /  Apr 19, 2017  /  Breaking News

                    Etzebeth steers Stormers in Christchurch • All Out Rugby

                    Etzebeth steers Stormers in Christchurch • All Out Rugby

                    Given the enforced resting of Siya Kolisi, Eben Etzebeth will lead the Stormers out against the unbeaten Crusaders in Christchurch on Saturday.

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                    • Chris B.
                      Chris B. @ACT Crusader last edited by

                      @ACT-Crusader I think Digby has been excellent when he's played so I'd expect him to get in when available.

                      I'd expect Dagg would take Havili's spot - though David has improved as the season has gone on and he's taken my advice to calm down on trying to make miracle plays. 🙂

                      I think that the top backline would probably be Drummond (looks like he's edging Hall to start), Mo'unga, Crotty, Goodhue, Tamanivalu, Ioane, Dagg - though they might also push Seta into centre and use Bridge on the wing.

                      A bench of Hall, Hunt and Havili would give plenty of options, but again that would be harsh on Bridge.

                      Given the rate of injury attrition, I doubt Razor will regularly have his full set of riches, so we might never know for certain what is his preferred line-up.

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                      • Billy Tell
                        Billy Tell last edited by Billy Tell

                        I see Whetu Douglas off to Treviso, where dreams go to die.

                        He should fire his agent on the spot. Has been excellent for the Crusaders really.

                        WTF do people sign for hopeless Italian clubs??

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                        • Chester Draws
                          Chester Draws @Billy Tell last edited by Chester Draws

                          @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                          WTF do people sign for hopeless Italian clubs??

                          Good money for little stress?

                          Getting to enjoy a bit of difference and avoid dark grey winters?

                          There's plenty of upsides once you look past the quality of the rugby.

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                          • Billy Tell
                            Billy Tell @Chester Draws last edited by

                            @Chester-Draws said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                            @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                            WTF do people sign for hopeless Italian clubs??

                            Good money for little stress?

                            Getting to enjoy a bit of difference and avoid dark grey winters?

                            There's plenty of upsides once you look past the quality of the rugby.

                            A bit more money and the Italian lifestyle. The rugby is absolutely dire, fighting it out with the other Italian club to avoid the wooden spoon in the Pro12 - so as to qualify for the European Cup, where you get hammered, score 0 competition points and leave the pool stage in last spot.

                            It's a ridiculously stupid rugby decison on his part, and you can read the extreme regret between the lines of the article. He looked very good for a permanent Crusaders contract IMO.

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                            • Stargazer
                              Stargazer @Billy Tell last edited by

                              @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                              @Chester-Draws said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                              @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                              WTF do people sign for hopeless Italian clubs??

                              Good money for little stress?

                              Getting to enjoy a bit of difference and avoid dark grey winters?

                              There's plenty of upsides once you look past the quality of the rugby.

                              A bit more money and the Italian lifestyle. The rugby is absolutely dire, fighting it out with the other Italian club to avoid the wooden spoon in the Pro12 - so as to qualify for the European Cup, where you get hammered, score 0 competition points and leave the pool stage in last spot.

                              It's a ridiculously stupid rugby decison on his part, and you can read the extreme regret between the lines of the article. He looked very good for a permanent Crusaders contract IMO.

                              Why a stupid decision? In the article, it says that he signed after the Mitre 10 Cup season and well before he was called into the Crusaders squad as injury cover. He didn't know he was going to play SR as he wasn't initially named in any team. He's 26 and has a young family. Of course he'd sign with an overseas club if he had no other prospect than club rugby & next season's NPC.

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                              • Billy Tell
                                Billy Tell @Stargazer last edited by

                                @Stargazer said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                @Chester-Draws said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                WTF do people sign for hopeless Italian clubs??

                                Good money for little stress?

                                Getting to enjoy a bit of difference and avoid dark grey winters?

                                There's plenty of upsides once you look past the quality of the rugby.

                                A bit more money and the Italian lifestyle. The rugby is absolutely dire, fighting it out with the other Italian club to avoid the wooden spoon in the Pro12 - so as to qualify for the European Cup, where you get hammered, score 0 competition points and leave the pool stage in last spot.

                                It's a ridiculously stupid rugby decison on his part, and you can read the extreme regret between the lines of the article. He looked very good for a permanent Crusaders contract IMO.

                                Why a stupid decision? In the article, it says that he signed after the Mitre 10 Cup season and well before he was called into the Crusaders squad as injury cover. He didn't know he was going to play SR as he wasn't initially named in any team. He's 26 and has a young family. Of course he'd sign with an overseas club if he had no other prospect than club rugby & next season's NPC.

                                But Treviso?

                                I'll get all that, but he was hasty. A decent season with the Crusaders, and if he really wanted to head overseas he would have had Premiership, Top 14, the better Pro 12 sides, or even Japan calling.

                                26 - I wish I was 26 again! It's not that frickin old.

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                                • Bones
                                  Bones @Billy Tell last edited by

                                  @Billy-Tell he wasn't in the Crusaders.

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                                  • Bovidae
                                    Bovidae @Billy Tell last edited by

                                    @Billy-Tell It wasn't that long ago that Douglas was working a normal 8-5 job so I can understand the temptation to sign at that time.

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                                    • Chester Draws
                                      Chester Draws @Billy Tell last edited by Chester Draws

                                      @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                      But Treviso?

                                      Guys sign with 2nd Division sides in France and England all the time. Are you telling me that playing for a 2nd Division side in England is better than Treviso?

                                      Come to think of it, Whetu was almost playing for a 2nd Division (Championship) ITM side in NZ, except that Waikato just stayed up in 2014. I doubt he's precious about it.

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                                      • taniwharugby
                                        taniwharugby last edited by taniwharugby

                                        probably was on $15-20k at Waikato, picked up a contract with Treviso for something like $100-150k, at 26 probably thought he had missed the chance at Super rugby

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                                        • Billy Tell
                                          Billy Tell @Chester Draws last edited by

                                          @Chester-Draws said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                          @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                          But Treviso?

                                          Guys sign with 2nd Division sides in France and England all the time. Are you telling me that playing for a 2nd Division side in England is better than Treviso?

                                          Come to think of it, Whetu was almost playing for a 2nd Division (Championship) ITM side in NZ, except that Waikato just stayed up in 2014. I doubt he's precious about it.

                                          I reckon you sell 2nd hand cars for a living. You could sell anything, including the Treviso dream. I'm not personally fussed, but leaving a wee pay increase aside, I doubt he's genuinely too rapt about his impending move.

                                          The likes of Luatau going to Bristol in the 2nd division is 100% to do with cold hard cash. Bucketloads of it. I don't think Treviso is offering remotely similar figures to Douglas.

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                                          • Chester Draws
                                            Chester Draws @Billy Tell last edited by

                                            @Billy-Tell said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                            I reckon you sell 2nd hand cars for a living. You could sell anything, including the Treviso dream. I'm not personally fussed, but leaving a wee pay increase aside, I doubt he's genuinely too rapt about his impending move.

                                            Wee? Wee? You must earn a lot of money to think that an increase of up near $100K is "wee".

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                                            • G
                                              Gunner last edited by

                                              No movement in here yet - where are all the Canabs at?

                                              6.5 minutes in and the Crusaders haven't had any possession

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                                              • mariner4life
                                                mariner4life last edited by

                                                That's flattering, crusaders trying to play like the chiefs, but lacking the skill and talent

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                                                  Gunner last edited by

                                                  Stormers near on 100% possession and territory for the first 10 minutes, and they're finally on the board with 3.

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                                                    Gunner @mariner4life last edited by

                                                    @mariner4life said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                                    That's flattering, crusaders trying to play like the chiefs, but lacking the skill and talent

                                                    Canerbry is going to lose his shit at that.

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                                                    • taniwharugby
                                                      taniwharugby last edited by

                                                      crusaders score on thier first visit to stormers territory

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                                                      • Rancid Schnitzel
                                                        Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                        Bit dodgy there. Surely the Sader was holding onto that ball. Id be spewing.

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                                                        • mariner4life
                                                          mariner4life @Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                          @Rancid-Schnitzel that was dodgy as fuck, nailed on penalty. Stormers getting some rough calls

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                                                          • taniwharugby
                                                            taniwharugby @Rancid Schnitzel last edited by

                                                            @Rancid-Schnitzel possibly, although I tend to agree with the comms in that the player got himself in the position, but didnt really try to steal the ball, was a period a few years ago when refs pinged alot on that and used to wind me up no end 😠

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                                                            • taniwharugby
                                                              taniwharugby last edited by

                                                              dumb decision by the FB there

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                                                              • mariner4life
                                                                mariner4life @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                @taniwharugby i used to do the same thing in that position. Con the ref because at your end a penalty is better than a turnover. Just gotta sell it

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                                                                • taniwharugby
                                                                  taniwharugby @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                  @mariner4life I know, easier to get yourself in a strong position and look like you are attacking it and they are holding it, but I think most refs are well aware of that con now 🙂

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                                                                  • mariner4life
                                                                    mariner4life last edited by

                                                                    AB props under some pressure

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                                                                    • Damo
                                                                      Damo @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                      @taniwharugby said in Crusaders vs Stormers:

                                                                      @Rancid-Schnitzel possibly, although I tend to agree with the comms in that the player got himself in the position, but didnt really try to steal the ball, was a period a few years ago when refs pinged alot on that and used to wind me up no end 😠

                                                                      I agree. He had the ball but he wasn't interested in it, he wanted a PK instead. By design or accident it was the correct call.

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                                                                      • KiwiMurph
                                                                        KiwiMurph last edited by

                                                                        How did the Chiefs lose to these clowns?

                                                                        Richie M the 10 has been great since his return.

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                                                                          Gunner last edited by

                                                                          That Richie Mo'unga is looking pretty bloody good.
                                                                          When does Cruden bugger off? I'd say Mo'unga is a good shout for EOYT as the 3rd 10

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                                                                          • taniwharugby
                                                                            taniwharugby last edited by

                                                                            Geez, this could get ugly.

                                                                            Pass from Goodhue was pretty flat...

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                                                                              Gunner last edited by

                                                                              Bridge is getting tries on gold platters tonight.

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                                                                              • mariner4life
                                                                                mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                Stormers backline defense is a little confused

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                                                                                • taniwharugby
                                                                                  taniwharugby @mariner4life last edited by

                                                                                  @mariner4life about whether they should tackle or not?

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                                                                                  • Kirwan
                                                                                    Kirwan last edited by

                                                                                    That was a quality try!

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