Gender Studies
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These guys win the internet for today.
http://www.skeptic.com/reading_room/conceptual-penis-social-contruct-sokal-style-hoax-on-gender-studies/ -
That's awesome. Totally awesome.
However, that journal and pretty much all pay for access journals are known to be jokes, so you're not going to be your new role at Oxford publishing there.
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Superb.
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Radical feminists seem to control Australian media.
The neutered male presenter is good example of what is wrong with many modern Western males. Confused and cucked.https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/35888333/mens-rights-film-banned-in-australia/#page1
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@Frank Andrew O'Keefe is a fucktard. He's also either a liar or an incompetent luddite; Google Play with The Red Pill works perfectly well here in Australia.
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@Frank said in Gender Studies:
Radical feminists seem to control Australian media.
The neutered male presenter is good example of what is wrong with many modern Western males. Confused and cucked.https://au.tv.yahoo.com/sunrise/video/watch/35888333/mens-rights-film-banned-in-australia/#page1
Fucking bizarre that they didnt watch the movie before that interview.
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@Frank
What did I just read? I got a kneecap into my eye socket in a game over the weekend and that hurt less than seeing that pile of horseshit. -
I've watched a few interviews with Cassie Jay (maker of the Red Pill) and although I haven't seen the film, she is very much on the money with one thing she says, i.e that people campaigning for mens rights are not campaigning against or denigrating or dismissing womens rights or LGTFBSHDBVJSDKFHDBD rights or black rights. They are simply asking for their own particular grievances to be heard. Surely that should be possible, without somehow devaluing other movements?
I look at it this way. My wife has cancer. A good mate of mine has a serious back problem that he often complains about. Should I scream and yell at him to shut the fuck up because his ailment isn't nearly as bad as my wife's? No, of course not. Just because there are others worse off than him is no reason for him not to be allowed to complain about a serious problem he has.
We live in seriously fucked up times.
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Good to see Susan Devoy keeping herself busy/employed while pissing away tax payer money on completely pointless expensive advertising campaigns...
http://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/life/93710789/dont-let-it-slide-what-to-do-when-someone-is-racist
Edit - didn't want to derail this thread but figured this is as good a place as any to put this.
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@No-Quarter fucked if i am clicking on that, but just from the preview panel, what if the taxi driver is an immigrant? What do you do then?
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@No-Quarter I wanted to punch my TV listening to her on Breakfast this morning.
The way she comes across is that only white folk can be racist
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@mariner4life said in Gender Studies:
@No-Quarter fucked if i am clicking on that, but just from the preview panel, what if the taxi driver is an immigrant? What do you do then?
It depends if he/she is white or not. Apparently only white people have the ability to be racist, brown people can't because reasons.
Also, don't forget that even if you think you're not racist, you actually are because of "covert racism" and "unconscious bias".
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@taniwharugby said in Gender Studies:
@No-Quarter I wanted to punch my TV listening to her on Breakfast this morning.
The way she comes across is that only white folk can be racist
My better half who is Melanesian spent a few years in a small NZ town and she found that by far the most racist people there - I.E. the ones that would attack her and call her the N word - were Maori. I'm sure that's all white people's fault though...
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My wife and I have watched the Red Pill. Really interesting.The way it was treated in Australia is disgusting.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Gender Studies:
My wife and I have watched the Red Pill. Really interesting.The way it was treated in Australia is disgusting.
I was waiting for it to become available on Google Movies - is there another way to watch it in NZ?
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
I've watched a few interviews with Cassie Jay (maker of the Red Pill) and although I haven't seen the film, she is very much on the money with one thing she says, i.e that people campaigning for mens rights are not campaigning against or denigrating or dismissing womens rights or LGTFBSHDBVJSDKFHDBD rights or black rights. They are simply asking for their own particular grievances to be heard. Surely that should be possible, without somehow devaluing other movements?
I look at it this way. My wife has cancer. A good mate of mine has a serious back problem that he often complains about. Should I scream and yell at him to shut the fuck up because his ailment isn't nearly as bad as my wife's? No, of course not. Just because there are others worse off than him is no reason for him not to be allowed to complain about a serious problem he has.
We live in seriously fucked up times.
She's dealt with a bunch of complete crap being thrown her way from some of the Aussie media really well.
Like these two fucking idiots, trying to pick apart her movie before admitting they haven't even watched it! That really is unforgivable on their part - surely a performance issue with their employer. I wouldn't be allowed to show up to a meeting at work completely fucking unprepared like that.
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@No-Quarter said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
I've watched a few interviews with Cassie Jay (maker of the Red Pill) and although I haven't seen the film, she is very much on the money with one thing she says, i.e that people campaigning for mens rights are not campaigning against or denigrating or dismissing womens rights or LGTFBSHDBVJSDKFHDBD rights or black rights. They are simply asking for their own particular grievances to be heard. Surely that should be possible, without somehow devaluing other movements?
I look at it this way. My wife has cancer. A good mate of mine has a serious back problem that he often complains about. Should I scream and yell at him to shut the fuck up because his ailment isn't nearly as bad as my wife's? No, of course not. Just because there are others worse off than him is no reason for him not to be allowed to complain about a serious problem he has.
We live in seriously fucked up times.
She's dealt with a bunch of complete crap being thrown her way from some of the Aussie media really well.
Like these two fucking idiots, trying to pick apart her movie before admitting they haven't even watched it! That really is unforgivable on their part - surely a performance issue with their employer. I wouldn't be allowed to show up to a meeting at work completely fucking unprepared like that.
That O'Keefe is the ultimate butt nugget. He's a game show host who fancies himself as some kind of progressive intellectual. Mark Latham tears him a new one here:
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Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
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@phoenetia what's the link? I thought red pill was in reference to suddenly realising that your lefist ideology was actually absolutely mental leading you to take a more conservative or republican red stance on things.
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@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
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@booboo said in Gender Studies:
That is absolutely hilarious. They come out of that looking like this biased idiots that they are - fantastic stuff.
It says the film has faced a "major backlash" but I'm not sure that's totally accurate. It's faced a backlash from a minority of people screaming very loudly, backed by a number MSM outlets whose credibility is going down the drain. It doesn't take many people to create a furor over something these days if they are organised in the way they do it.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men." -
@Rembrandt said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia what's the link? I thought red pill was in reference to suddenly realising that your lefist ideology was actually absolutely mental leading you to take a more conservative or republican red stance on things.
Oh no its nothing that clever, some alt-right beta cuck (to borrow from their lexicon) lifted it from the Matrix. Seriously.
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@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd wager most people have no idea what Red Pill may mean and that the film's title has sweet fa to do with the way it has been received by the usual loud and rabid minority in Australia.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd wager most people have no idea what Red Pill may mean and that the film's title has sweet fa to do with the way it has been received by the usual loud and rabid minority in Australia.
Right and I guess if most people dont use the internet to look up stuff they dont know, they'll probably continue to think that way. Solid man, solid.
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@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd never heard of them so the name was pretty meaningless to me.
Cassie Jaye said she did ask them about the comments to do with rape, and said that a) those comments were taken out of context and were largely explainable and b) she chose not to include them in this movie as anything to do with rape is a massive rabbit hole that would require it's own movie.
I don't know the context so won't comment on them, but as with anything context is critical. And in my experience with SJWs/Feminists they absolutely love to take statements out of context to smear people they disagree with politically.
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@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd wager most people have no idea what Red Pill may mean and that the film's title has sweet fa to do with the way it has been received by the usual loud and rabid minority in Australia.
Right and I guess if most people dont use the internet to look up stuff they dont know, they'll probably continue to think that way. Solid man, solid.
What a bizarre argument. Weak bro weak.
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@phoenetia yeah I get the matrix scenario, you take a pill and percieve the world completely differently, if the whole red republican thing isn't correct I'm still going yo run with it anyway, much better definition!
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@No-Quarter said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd never heard of them so the name was pretty meaningless to me.
Cassie Jaye said she did ask them about the comments to do with rape, and said that a) those comments were taken out of context and were largely explainable and b) she chose not to include them in this movie as anything to do with rape is a massive rabbit hole that would require it's own movie.
I don't know the context so won't comment on them, but as with anything context is critical. And in my experience with SJWs/Feminists they absolutely love to take statements out of context to smear people they disagree with politically.
Check it out for yourself and see what you think. Ask women what they think.
I haven't watched the movie yet. Thing is, I totally agree that there are problems that are unique to men, I just argue the naming of the movie was a bad choice. It instantly aligns itself with the Alt Right and if one wants to be taken seriously, that's not a great start. -
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd wager most people have no idea what Red Pill may mean and that the film's title has sweet fa to do with the way it has been received by the usual loud and rabid minority in Australia.
Right and I guess if most people dont use the internet to look up stuff they dont know, they'll probably continue to think that way. Solid man, solid.
What a bizarre argument. Weak bro weak.
Its called sarcasm. Look it up after you've looked up TheRedPill.
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The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)
Works for me.
So what is the alt-right then exactly? From what Ive read it covers anyone from Hitler to anyone who happens to even slightly disagree with something from the left.
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@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
Calling her movie The Red Pill was a bad move, for many it instantly robbed it of any credibility because most people associate it with pick up artist douchery, not mens rights.
Most people, i.e. you.
No, most people that have ever heard of them.
They've gained notoriety in the past for seriously discussing stuff like "Women want to be raped" or "The case for legalising rape".
From recollection, theres some cross over with the Alt Right but Im not sure how.
But in case you are of the belief that they are about Mens Rights and not Picking Up women, dont take my word for it, take theirs:
"The Red Pill: Discussion of sexual strategy in a culture increasingly lacking a positive identity for men."I'd wager most people have no idea what Red Pill may mean and that the film's title has sweet fa to do with the way it has been received by the usual loud and rabid minority in Australia.
Right and I guess if most people dont use the internet to look up stuff they dont know, they'll probably continue to think that way. Solid man, solid.
What a bizarre argument. Weak bro weak.
Its called sarcasm. Look it up after you've looked up TheRedPill.
Isn't that the name of a movie?
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@Rembrandt said in Gender Studies:
The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)
Works for me.
So what is the alt-right then exactly? From what Ive read it covers anyone from Hitler to anyone who happens to even slightly disagree with something from the left.
See, names matter. Rather than alt-right, they should call themselves "Angry white man justice keyboard warriors" (again, borrowing their online vernacular). They see themselves as some kind of antithesis to the SJW of the left which has unwittingly exposed them to the same derision and ignominy.
Hey, does anyone here consider themselves alt-right?
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@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rembrandt said in Gender Studies:
The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)
Works for me.
So what is the alt-right then exactly? From what Ive read it covers anyone from Hitler to anyone who happens to even slightly disagree with something from the left.
See, names matter. Rather than alt-right, they should call themselves "Angry white man justice keyboard warriors" (again, borrowing their online vernacular). They see themselves as some kind of antithesis to the SJW of the left which has unwittingly exposed them to the same derision and ignominy.
Hey, does anyone here consider themselves alt-right?
I still can't believe that you think the name of this film has somehow impacted on how it has been received in Australia. You honestly think that there would be zero controversy if she'd simply called it "Men and women" or "Men have problems"?
BTW I did a Google search. In addition to the definition provided by the Dutch Master, there was also this from Urban Dictionary:
'Red pill' has become a popular phrase among cyberculture and signifies a free-thinking attitude, and a waking up from a "normal" life of sloth and ignorance. Red pills prefer the truth, no matter how gritty and painful it may be."
Seems like a pretty apt title to me, particularly as the filmmaker had to challenge her own biases and worldview.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rembrandt said in Gender Studies:
The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)
Works for me.
So what is the alt-right then exactly? From what Ive read it covers anyone from Hitler to anyone who happens to even slightly disagree with something from the left.
See, names matter. Rather than alt-right, they should call themselves "Angry white man justice keyboard warriors" (again, borrowing their online vernacular). They see themselves as some kind of antithesis to the SJW of the left which has unwittingly exposed them to the same derision and ignominy.
Hey, does anyone here consider themselves alt-right?
I still can't believe that you think the name of this film has somehow impacted on how it has been received in Australia. You honestly think that there would be zero controversy if she'd simply called it "Men and women" or "Men have problems"?
BTW I did a Google search. In addition to the definition provided by the Dutch Master, there was also this from Urban Dictionary:
'Red pill' has become a popular phrase among cyberculture and signifies a free-thinking attitude, and a waking up from a "normal" life of sloth and ignorance. Red pills prefer the truth, no matter how gritty and painful it may be."
Seems like a pretty apt title to me, particularly as the filmmaker had to challenge her own biases and worldview.
I didn't make that claim so I'm not going to rebut your argument.
When I googled TheRedPill, I got 6 links concerning the insalubrious side of TRP, 2 links to the movie, 1 link to their reddit forum & 1 link to urban dictionary.
Also, I now know that it was created by a former Republican representative. Despite being his own creation, he tried to distance himself from initially so it seems its toxicity was not lost on him. He ended up resigning after his identity was made public.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/04/25/legislator-reddit-redpill-forum/ -
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rembrandt said in Gender Studies:
The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)
Works for me.
So what is the alt-right then exactly? From what Ive read it covers anyone from Hitler to anyone who happens to even slightly disagree with something from the left.
See, names matter. Rather than alt-right, they should call themselves "Angry white man justice keyboard warriors" (again, borrowing their online vernacular). They see themselves as some kind of antithesis to the SJW of the left which has unwittingly exposed them to the same derision and ignominy.
Hey, does anyone here consider themselves alt-right?
I still can't believe that you think the name of this film has somehow impacted on how it has been received in Australia. You honestly think that there would be zero controversy if she'd simply called it "Men and women" or "Men have problems"?
BTW I did a Google search. In addition to the definition provided by the Dutch Master, there was also this from Urban Dictionary:
'Red pill' has become a popular phrase among cyberculture and signifies a free-thinking attitude, and a waking up from a "normal" life of sloth and ignorance. Red pills prefer the truth, no matter how gritty and painful it may be."
Seems like a pretty apt title to me, particularly as the filmmaker had to challenge her own biases and worldview.
I didn't make that claim so I'm not going to rebut your argument.
When I googled TheRedPill, I got 6 links concerning the insalubrious side of TRP, 2 links to the movie, 1 link to their reddit forum & 1 link to urban dictionary.
Also, I now know that it was created by a former Republican representative. Despite being his own creation, he tried to distance himself from initially so it seems its toxicity was not lost on him. He ended up resigning after his identity was made public.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/04/25/legislator-reddit-redpill-forum/You claimed that the name meant the film couldn't be taken seriously and that "most people" would connect it to some obscure term used by the alt-right. I respectfully disagree and am also unsure what this has to do with the discussion, which was principally about how this film has been received in Australia. Unless of course you do think that the "outcry" is because of the name and not the actual content of the film.
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@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rancid-Schnitzel said in Gender Studies:
@phoenetia said in Gender Studies:
@Rembrandt said in Gender Studies:
The red pill and its opposite, the blue pill, are popular cultural symbols representing the choice between: Knowledge, freedom and the (sometimes painful) truth of reality (red pill) Falsehood, security and the blissful ignorance of illusion (blue pill)
Works for me.
So what is the alt-right then exactly? From what Ive read it covers anyone from Hitler to anyone who happens to even slightly disagree with something from the left.
See, names matter. Rather than alt-right, they should call themselves "Angry white man justice keyboard warriors" (again, borrowing their online vernacular). They see themselves as some kind of antithesis to the SJW of the left which has unwittingly exposed them to the same derision and ignominy.
Hey, does anyone here consider themselves alt-right?
I still can't believe that you think the name of this film has somehow impacted on how it has been received in Australia. You honestly think that there would be zero controversy if she'd simply called it "Men and women" or "Men have problems"?
BTW I did a Google search. In addition to the definition provided by the Dutch Master, there was also this from Urban Dictionary:
'Red pill' has become a popular phrase among cyberculture and signifies a free-thinking attitude, and a waking up from a "normal" life of sloth and ignorance. Red pills prefer the truth, no matter how gritty and painful it may be."
Seems like a pretty apt title to me, particularly as the filmmaker had to challenge her own biases and worldview.
I didn't make that claim so I'm not going to rebut your argument.
When I googled TheRedPill, I got 6 links concerning the insalubrious side of TRP, 2 links to the movie, 1 link to their reddit forum & 1 link to urban dictionary.
Also, I now know that it was created by a former Republican representative. Despite being his own creation, he tried to distance himself from initially so it seems its toxicity was not lost on him. He ended up resigning after his identity was made public.
http://www.snopes.com/2017/04/25/legislator-reddit-redpill-forum/You claimed that the name meant the film couldn't be taken seriously and that "most people" would connect it to some obscure term used by the alt-right. I respectfully disagree and am also unsure what this has to do with the discussion, which was principally about how this film has been received in Australia. Unless of course you do think that the "outcry" is because of the name and not the actual content of the film.
Cmon mate, you're strawmanning too. I didnt say it couldnt be taken seriously, I said it robbed it of credibility, not ALL credibility. Yes I think it was a factor however I did not make any claim that there would be zero controversy were it named something else.
BTW, TheRedPill is not an obscure Alt-Right term. TheRedPill started off as a pick up artist whoops I mean sexual strategy forum, its alleged at some point Alt-Right followers started to onboard TRP followers and apparently there is now a TheRedPillRight. TRP originally cited the Matrix as the origin of its name.
