Americas Cup



  • @Donsteppa said in Americas Cup:

    @NTA said in Americas Cup:

    @Donsteppa fuck I remember hearing about that - if only we'd had a random Kiwi walk past our shed before the start, and look at it for three seconds.

    Could have won that year to zip.

    You needed @virgil to bestow an aura on it.

    His powers only work in retrospect - all the times a Kiwi is found in any project with success.

    I know, it might take some time to wrap your head around how this power works - the universe comes at you fast.



  • @NTA second place is just the first loser 😉

    Supposedly plans to implement a more nationalistic teams next time...maybe we'll see an Aussie boat with Spithill & Ashby next time....



  • @taniwharugby said in Americas Cup:

    @NTA second place is just the first loser 😉

    Supposedly plans to implement a more nationalistic teams next time...maybe we'll see an Aussie boat with Spithill & Ashby next time....

    Wouldn't matter if you can't build a boat

    Ashby grew up around Bendigo. Hardly a seafaring town 🙂



  • @NTA surely you have some rich fullas over there willing to throw some of those valuable AUssie dollars at the crew in Warkworth to whip up another gem for useguys.



  • Great result for ETNZ and great for the America's Cup as well.

    Not trying to Oracle bash but I genuinely believe that the plans that Ellison and Coutts had for the future would effectively end the AC as we know it.

    They wanted a two year long series of regattas - with carry-over points -culminating in an America's Cup showdown - the scenario for this edition but writ large. The aim to turn it into the F1 of sailing.

    This to my mind misses the whole point of the event. Its uniqueness as a one-off event.

    It's not a league or a series. Why not replace the Olympics with the Diamond League?

    Fortunately ETNZ weren't having a bar of it and as we all know were ostracized by all other teams in return.

    I hope we don't look for petty payback and take the best of this event in Bermuda but dial down some of the commercialism and make it an event for sailors and spectators first and sponsors second. I know Dalton also wants to reintroduce some form of nationality criteria

    Do that and we could put on an awesome event. It also has the potential to be transformational for Akl (cos that's where it will be I'm sure) accelerating a range of planned projects along the waterfront.

    Great day - we smacked them


  • Banned

    @NTA

    Please fuck off back to the Powerwall thread.



  • @taniwharugby I have no idea what rich guys here would like to do. It seems a bit pricey.


  • Banned

    I have a massive urge to learn how to sail now.



  • @jegga said in Americas Cup:

    How long till it's safe for me to jump on the bandwagon?

    :::

    I'm there. I know my spinnaker from my gibs.

    We've done it WOOOOHOOOOO!!!!

    ( of course if it was a loss it would be 'them' who lost, not 'us' )



  • @NTA said in Americas Cup:

    @Donsteppa said in Americas Cup:

    @NTA said in Americas Cup:

    @Donsteppa fuck I remember hearing about that - if only we'd had a random Kiwi walk past our shed before the start, and look at it for three seconds.

    Could have won that year to zip.

    You needed @virgil to bestow an aura on it.

    His powers only work in retrospect - all the times a Kiwi is found in any project with success.

    I know, it might take some time to wrap your head around how this power works - the universe comes at you fast.

    You have started drinking pretty early nick



  • @Virgil Hey I'm this funny all the time. When I'm drinking it goes up to 11.





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  • @dogmeat said in Americas Cup:

    Great result for ETNZ and great for the America's Cup as well.

    Not trying to Oracle bash but I genuinely believe that the plans that Ellison and Coutts had for the future would effectively end the AC as we know it.

    They wanted a two year long series of regattas - with carry-over points -culminating in an America's Cup showdown - the scenario for this edition but writ large. The aim to turn it into the F1 of sailing.

    This to my mind misses the whole point of the event. Its uniqueness as a one-off event.

    It's not a league or a series. Why not replace the Olympics with the Diamond League?

    Fortunately ETNZ weren't having a bar of it and as we all know were ostracized by all other teams in return.

    I hope we don't look for petty payback and take the best of this event in Bermuda but dial down some of the commercialism and make it an event for sailors and spectators first and sponsors second. I know Dalton also wants to reintroduce some form of nationality criteria

    Do that and we could put on an awesome event. It also has the potential to be transformational for Akl (cos that's where it will be I'm sure) accelerating a range of planned projects along the waterfront.

    Great day - we smacked them

    Our old nemesis Dennis Connor was thinking along similar lines...

    Before the regatta in Bermuda, all of the competing syndicates, except Team New Zealand, agreed to a blueprint for the next two editions of the Cup. It would see the event take place every two years with a belief that entrant numbers will double. But Conner is decidedly against that:
    "I think if Oracle wins, we could have another event every year and what would separate the America's Cup from just being another regatta?" he asked.



  • As my brother-in-law just said

    If the Lions supporters thought the NZ public and its media fawn over the ABs, they are about to find out just how bad we can really be. Shit is going to the next level



  • @NTA ANZAC!!



  • A huge turnaround performance by Grant Dalton. Outside of NZ Endeavour, his career was perhaps best summed up by the 89/90 Whitbread - almost the best & always right in it, but never quite winning at the last hurdle. Congratulations Mr Dalton

    "We were past shutting our doors," Dalton told the Herald. "In my drafts, which I've kept since October 2015, which I wrote on a flight back to England - I keep it as sort of a motivation, is a draft of a press release to shut the team. "We had a directors' meeting that afternoon, we decided we had to shut. I worked through that night and came up with some money by daybreak, and here we are."



  • @dogmeat said in Americas Cup:

    Great result for ETNZ and great for the America's Cup as well.

    Not trying to Oracle bash but I genuinely believe that the plans that Ellison and Coutts had for the future would effectively end the AC as we know it.

    They wanted a two year long series of regattas - with carry-over points -culminating in an America's Cup showdown - the scenario for this edition but writ large. The aim to turn it into the F1 of sailing.

    This to my mind misses the whole point of the event. Its uniqueness as a one-off event.

    It's not a league or a series. Why not replace the Olympics with the Diamond League?

    Fortunately ETNZ weren't having a bar of it and as we all know were ostracized by all other teams in return.

    I hope we don't look for petty payback and take the best of this event in Bermuda but dial down some of the commercialism and make it an event for sailors and spectators first and sponsors second. I know Dalton also wants to reintroduce some form of nationality criteria

    Do that and we could put on an awesome event. It also has the potential to be transformational for Akl (cos that's where it will be I'm sure) accelerating a range of planned projects along the waterfront.

    Great day - we smacked them

    I'm so glad ETNZ didn't sign that. The pinnacle even for a sport SHOULD be different. And spaced apart.



  • I enjoyed this article about Matteo de Nora. He is a very important part of ETNZ that works in the background. It was great that Burling got both Dalton and de Nora on the boat for the celebrations.

    http://oceanmagazine.com.au/quiet-achiever/



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  • @Bovidae said in Americas Cup:

    I enjoyed this article about Matteo de Nora. He is a very important part of ETNZ that works in the background. It was great that Burling got both Dalton and de Nora on the boat for the celebrations.

    http://oceanmagazine.com.au/quiet-achiever/

    That's a great read. I found this part quite intriguing:

    When de Nora stepped up his Team New Zealand involvement in 2003, it was a team similarly broken. The appeal was to help rebuild it to a point where it was competitive again and do it efficiently – not just by pouring massive amounts of money into it.
    “The measure of success is not just about winning. Grant and I disagree on many things and this is one of them. He is more obsessed about winning. For me, it is about taking something that was basically non-existent and making it perform again. It depends on what stage you began at and how far you have taken it and with what means at your disposal. That is the interesting thing.
    “To me, going to Valencia [in 2007] and finishing second, and the same in San Francisco, I regard it as a success, absolutely.”
    Dalton, who has always been his own harshest critic, sees things in starker black and white. He shakes his head. “The team worked well. We did a good job. But we didn’t win.” Dalton also contradicts de Nora’s modest assessment of his own contribution to the team. “He is understating it,” Dalton insists. “I listen intently to what he says. I can’t think of a time when I haven’t taken his advice. I have had two mentors in my life. Gary Paykel [of whiteware firm Fisher & Paykel who backed Dalton’s first Whitbread Round the World Race campaign] is one. The other is Matteo.”



  • @mariner4life bloody Hilary Bandwagon Barry was embarrassing this last week or so, but especially so this morning 🤢



  • http://www.newstalkzb.co.nz/on-demand/audio/listen-pj-montgomery-calling-the-americas-cup-win/

    For posterity - here's Peter Montgomery calling the finish. Yes - he says it again!


  • Banned

    The weirdest thing about the presentation ceremony was them being handed Louis Vitton bags. Even funnier was the scrapping for them when they were hurled into the crowd.

    I know they're a major sponsor, but wtf?



  • @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Americas Cup:

    The weirdest thing about the presentation ceremony was them being handed Louis Vitton bags. Even funnier was the scrapping for them when they were hurled into the crowd.

    I know they're a major sponsor, but wtf?

    I noticed that too. The bags were probably worth about $10k each. Sums up the event really.

    Will be interesting to see what changes they make to the competition. Does anyone have summary of what has happened over the last decade or so with changes etc. Why weren't Luna rosa in it this time?



  • @pukunui said in Americas Cup:

    @Rancid-Schnitzel said in Americas Cup:

    The weirdest thing about the presentation ceremony was them being handed Louis Vitton bags. Even funnier was the scrapping for them when they were hurled into the crowd.

    I know they're a major sponsor, but wtf?

    I noticed that too. The bags were probably worth about $10k each. Sums up the event really.

    Dalts is probably pissed he couldn't raffle them off or something to raise funds for next time.



  • @dogmeat said in Americas Cup:

    Great result for ETNZ and great for the America's Cup as well.

    Not trying to Oracle bash but I genuinely believe that the plans that Ellison and Coutts had for the future would effectively end the AC as we know it.

    They wanted a two year long series of regattas - with carry-over points -culminating in an America's Cup showdown - the scenario for this edition but writ large. The aim to turn it into the F1 of sailing.

    This to my mind misses the whole point of the event. Its uniqueness as a one-off event.

    It's not a league or a series. Why not replace the Olympics with the Diamond League?

    Fortunately ETNZ weren't having a bar of it and as we all know were ostracized by all other teams in return.

    I hope we don't look for petty payback and take the best of this event in Bermuda but dial down some of the commercialism and make it an event for sailors and spectators first and sponsors second. I know Dalton also wants to reintroduce some form of nationality criteria

    Do that and we could put on an awesome event. It also has the potential to be transformational for Akl (cos that's where it will be I'm sure) accelerating a range of planned projects along the waterfront.

    Great day - we smacked them

    I think this is the summary you want puku. In addition Oracle changed the design formula halfway through the cycle which basically made all syndicates start from scratch and that apparently was what triggered Prada's withdrawal. But they offered up tech support to ETNZ and will almost certainly be the challenger of record next time



  • @canefan Luna Rossa already are Challenger of Record. Took about an hour after the race to confirm.



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  • a good video with background, a trip down memory lane for many of us...I also note Coutts in the video mention the NZ offer was the best he had on the table at the time-the way he phrased it showed me how he was willing to take Allinghi's offer to sail against NZ only a few years later. Very mercenary.
    Also, I read a bit more on Coutts-over the years, around the Americas Cup sailing, he has continued racing and winning all sorts of different races...https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell_Coutts



  • The protocol for the next Cup has been released (https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8BTnNO2cz5Dc1Jfb25DazRyM2s/view)
    The media may be a bit slow reading and summarising it but here is my quick attempt

    • March 2021 for the Cup races
    • December 2020 has a compulsory round of the Challenger Selection Series at the venue for the Cup (presumed Auckland but see below)
    • clause in protocol to allow the Cup to be held in Italy if NZ can't get organised.
    • challenging clubs can't be made up entities. They must be existing yacht clubs (minimum 5 years) and carry at least 200 members
    • yacht (hull) must be made in challenging country
    • all crew members to hold nationality of challenging clubs country although up to 3 can be 'residents' with permanent place of abode there and physical presence for 380 days out of 2 years leading into cup.
    • maximum 2 hulls to be made
    • no wind tunnel/fluid testing. Only open water. This is in an effort to keep costs down and even the playing field/attract entries
    • no coordinated practice between teams

    All in all an attempt to bring the cup back to the pre Larry days and create a more even contest that will hopefully attract more challengers.

    The big problem (and the one the door has been left open for) is the venue. Auckland actually has nowhere as a base anymore as the Viaduct has been turned into a commercial area. Dalton is basically challenging Auckland and the Govt to act quickly and sort this out or the Cup will go to Italy. Given Auckland's track record on procrastination/red tape/ poor decisions (Eden Park) I have no idea how this will pan out.

    A good write up on the situation is here
    https://www.newsroom.co.nz/2017/09/29/50769/if-team-nz-sail-away-we-wont-welcome-them-back



  • The boat builders up in Warkworth won’t be happy, I mean do they have to suppprt NZ now rather that help another team take it off us?



  • @virgil said in Americas Cup:

    The boat builders up in Warkworth won’t be happy, I mean do they have to suppprt NZ now rather that help another team take it off us?

    I guess that kiwi boat builders can still design and fit but if they want to make hulls they need to do so overseas.



  • The issue of the bases is dragging on. I wonder how long TNZ waits and watches NZ fuck around before they seriously consider offshore venues?



  • @canefan said in Americas Cup:

    The issue of the bases is dragging on. I wonder how long TNZ waits and watches NZ fuck around before they seriously consider offshore venues?

    I think they are probably seriously looking at it.

    Fark, we can destroy anything up here by bitterness, naysaying and infighting. Street motor races. America's Cups (FFS). Waterfront stadia. Anything in a 10 jersey.



  • @nzzp said in Americas Cup:

    @canefan said in Americas Cup:

    The issue of the bases is dragging on. I wonder how long TNZ waits and watches NZ fuck around before they seriously consider offshore venues?

    I think they are probably seriously looking at it.

    Fark, we can destroy anything up here by bitterness, naysaying and infighting. Street motor races. America's Cups (FFS). Waterfront stadia. Anything in a 10 jersey.

    Western Springs Speedway, Eden Park, Waterfront stadium...... The list goes on



  • @nzzp said in Americas Cup:

    @canefan said in Americas Cup:

    The issue of the bases is dragging on. I wonder how long TNZ waits and watches NZ fuck around before they seriously consider offshore venues?

    I think they are probably seriously looking at it.

    Fark, we can destroy anything up here by bitterness, naysaying and infighting. Street motor races. America's Cups (FFS). Waterfront stadia. Anything in a 10 jersey.

    This AC situation is like modern 'parenting'.

    'What biscuits would you like Sebastian?'
    'These ones'
    'How about you choose something else?'
    'No, I want these ones'
    'But those aren't healthy and they cost too much'
    'But I want them!'
    'Let's put them back and take these instead, look they have raisins in them'
    'I HATE raisins!'
    'No you don't, you love them'
    'You said I could choose!!!!!! You are the worst parent in the world'
    'OK, just this time then'



  • @canefan said in Americas Cup:

    The issue of the bases is dragging on. I wonder how long TNZ waits and watches NZ fuck around before they seriously consider offshore venues?

    Isn't it already written into the challenge - that there's a deadline for Auckland to sort it's shit out, or it's automatically moved to Valencia, or similar?



  • @kruse

    Italy. That is part of the Challenger of Record agreement with Luna Rossa.




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