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    Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth)

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    • Stargazer
      Stargazer last edited by Stargazer

      The Springbok side to face Argentina in Port Elizabeth is:

      1 Tendai Mtawarira (Cell C Sharks), 90 caps, 10 points (2t)
      2 Malcolm Marx (Emirates Lions), 5 caps, 5 points (1t)
      3 Coenie Oosthuizen (Cell C Sharks), 26, 20 points (4t)
      4 Eben Etzebeth (captain, DHL Stormers), 57 caps, 15 points (3t)
      5 Franco Mostert (Emirates Lions), 9 caps, 0 points
      6 Siya Kolisi (DHL Stormers), 19 caps, 5 points (1t)
      7 Jaco Kriel (Emirates Lions), 8 caps, 0 points
      8 Uzair Cassiem (Toyota Cheetahs) 1 cap, 5 points (1t)
      9 Ross Cronje (Emirates Lions), 2 caps, 5 points (1 t)
      10 Elton Jantjies (Emirates Lions), 14 caps, 130 points (1t, 22c, 27p)
      11 Courtnall Skosan (Emirates Lions), 3 caps, 0 points
      12 Jan Serfontein (Vodacom Bulls), 29 caps, 20 points (4t)
      13 Jesse Kriel (Vodacom Bulls), 19 caps, 25 points (5t)
      14 Raymond Rhule (Toyota Cheetahs), 3 caps, 0 points
      15 Andries Coetzee (Emirates Lions), 3 caps, 0 points

      Replacements:
      16 Bongi Mbonambi (DHL Stormers), 8 caps, 0 points
      17 Steven Kitshoff (DHL Stormers), 13 caps, 0 points
      18 Trevor Nyakane (Vodacom Bulls), 28 caps, 5 points (1t)
      19 Pieter-Steph du Toit (DHL Stormers), 23 caps, 15 points (3t)
      20 Jean-Luc du Preez (Cell C Sharks), 4 caps, 0 points
      21 Francois Hougaard (Worcester Warriors, England), 42 caps, 25 points (5t)
      22 Curwin Bosch (Cell C Sharks), uncapped
      23 Damian de Allende (DHL Stormers), 22 caps, 15 points (3t)

      Stats and milestones

      •Tendai Mtawarira will extend his record as the most-capped Springbok prop to 91 caps in this position. He is the third most experienced Springbok forward behind Victor Matfield and John Smit.

      •Mtawarira will also play in his 40th Castle Lager Rugby Championship Test match, which ranks him fourth behind Bryan Habana (53), Jean de Villiers (50) and Victor Matfield (48).

      •The following players will make their Castle Lager Rugby Championship debuts: Uzair Cassiem, Andries Coetzee, Ross Cronjé, Raymond Rhule and Courtnall Skosan. It will also be the first games for Jean-Luc du Preez and Curwin Bosch should they come off the bench.

      •Bosch will become Springbok #887 if he runs onto the field as a replacement.

      Oops! | SA Rugby
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      • Stargazer
        Stargazer last edited by

        It will be interesting to watch the South Africans this season. I've seen several comments after the June Series saying that SA is back on the way up, but I found that a bit strange, considering they have only played against - and beaten - France this year. So this RC campaign should give us more evidence of where they are at.

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        • Duluth
          Duluth last edited by

          Joaquin Tuculet, Ramiro Moyano, Matias Orlando, Jeronimo de la Fuente, Emiliano Boffelli, Nicolas Sanchez, Martin Landajo, Leonardo Senatore, Tomas Lezana, Pablo Matera, Tomas Lavanini, Guido Petti, Enrique Pieretto, Agustin Creevy (captain), Nahuel Tetaz Chaparro

          Reserves: Julian Montoya, Lucas Noguera, Ramiro Herrera, Marcos Kremer, Javier Ortega Desio, Tomas Cubelli, Juan Martin Hernandez, Matias Moroni

          https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/international/95904951/emiliano-boffelli-preferred-to-moroni-on-left-wing-for-argentina

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          • Bones
            Bones last edited by

            Wow, how long has Bruno been captain for? I was going to pose the query as to why they persist with him and then I saw he's captain.

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            • booboo
              booboo @Bones last edited by

              @Bones said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

              Wow, how long has Bruno been captain for? I was going to pose the query as to why they persist with him and then I saw he's captain.

              Since Whiteley got injured in June.

              Agree. De Jager and du Toit are better. Bruno is rather overrated IMO.

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              • booboo
                booboo last edited by

                Having said that I see de Jager is not there ...

                But they prefer Mostert to du Toit

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                • Bones
                  Bones @booboo last edited by

                  @booboo Mostert is also better... and not a douche.

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                  • MiketheSnow
                    MiketheSnow last edited by MiketheSnow

                    Having watched both the Argentina v England series and SA v France series I would expect SA to put the Argies to the sword. Especially at home.

                    SA by 11-16 in a high scoring affair.

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                    • ACT Crusader
                      ACT Crusader last edited by

                      It's a pretty inexperienced side for the Boks across the board. If the Argies can keep the score close going into the final 20, then it could be a little uneasy for that young Bok side.

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                      • MN5
                        MN5 @Bones last edited by

                        @Bones said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                        Wow, how long has Bruno been captain for? I was going to pose the query as to why they persist with him and then I saw he's captain.

                        Only worked for so long with Todd Blackadder bro

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                        • Bones
                          Bones @MN5 last edited by

                          @MN5 ummm...ok?

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                          • Crucial
                            Crucial @Bones last edited by

                            @Bones said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                            Wow, how long has Bruno been captain for? I was going to pose the query as to why they persist with him and then I saw he's captain.

                            Odd choice. He's not the most calm guy on the field.
                            When they play the ABs I can see BBBR getting in his face at every opportunity. Get him riled up and it will erode any high ground he may hold as captain with the ref.

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                            • Bones
                              Bones @Crucial last edited by

                              @Crucial yeah it's not like he's in every fracas on the field...

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                              • MN5
                                MN5 @Bones last edited by

                                @Bones said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                @MN5 ummm...ok?

                                Sorry I was drinking. Sober now....and I still have no idea what point I was trying to make.

                                Not unlike every other post from me on here.

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                                • PN
                                  PN last edited by

                                  Last home game I'll be attending before I have to bring a cutout green bucket to my home games! Hype

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                                  • D
                                    Derm McCrum last edited by

                                    This is great to watch. Frantic, fast, and furious.

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                                    • D
                                      Derm McCrum last edited by Derm McCrum

                                      Absolutely cracking try from Argentina - Tuculet breaks against the SA attack, and length of the field with Landajo picking up the kick through and touching down. No conversion.

                                      SA 6-5 Arg.

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                                        Rebound last edited by

                                        The refereeing is just getting better (worse) as the weekend progress. How the hell is Poite an international ref. He sure as hell don't know the laws of the game

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                                          Derm McCrum last edited by

                                          Great game so far. Haven't even noticed the ref.

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                                            Rebound @Derm McCrum last edited by

                                            @Pot-Hale

                                            Really do you didn't notice the try that was awarded when it should have been penalty to blue for player not releasing the ball

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                                            • MiketheSnow
                                              MiketheSnow @Rebound last edited by

                                              @Rebound said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                              @Pot-Hale

                                              Really do you didn't notice the try that was awarded when it should have been penalty to blue for player not releasing the ball

                                              Said he wasn't held

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                                                Rebound @MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                @MiketheSnow
                                                But if you tackled and on the ground you must release whether held or not, this was clarified a couple of years ago.

                                                I guess it's not the latest protocol, cause only those one's are important

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                                                • MiketheSnow
                                                  MiketheSnow @Rebound last edited by

                                                  @Rebound said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                                  @MiketheSnow
                                                  But if you tackled and on the ground you must release whether held or not, this was clarified a couple of years ago.

                                                  I guess it's not the latest protocol, cause only those one's are important

                                                  Been a bugbear of mine for years.
                                                  Hit the ground release not place.

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                                                  • MiketheSnow
                                                    MiketheSnow last edited by

                                                    Comfortable win for SA.
                                                    Aus and Arg to fight for the wooden spoon.

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                                                    • Billy Tell
                                                      Billy Tell last edited by

                                                      Boks are back! That was a really good display across the paddock and the bench was excellent. Reckon nz could struggle in the republic.

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                                                      • ACT Crusader
                                                        ACT Crusader last edited by

                                                        Boks are basically the Brumbies of the early 2000s. Maintain possession through recycle and recycle.

                                                        If you keep a good defensive line then you will force them back. Argies had some good periods doing that. But they also lack patience at times in attack and defence.

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                                                          akan004 last edited by akan004

                                                          Argies have to get rid of this policy of only selecting players from Super Rugby. The Pumas are basically the Jaguares bar one player, and they couldn't even finish second in their Conference. Having the same team playing together under two different jerseys for 8 months of the year will make any team stale imo.

                                                          They will not be able to compete against the other teams until they have all their best players playing for them.

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                                                          • taniwharugby
                                                            taniwharugby @akan004 last edited by

                                                            @akan004 I think the plan for them is to have thier best players playing in Argentina, otherwise the NH clubs are not obliged to release them for this period are they?

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                                                              akan004 @taniwharugby last edited by

                                                              @taniwharugby Not sure, you may be right.

                                                              Having said that, SA haven't had issues selecting players from the North though over the last few years for the RC. I don't know how the club structure works up North tbh.

                                                              If they are going to continue with this policy, they need to push for another Super team and select from two teams a la the Aussie model from the 80s.

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                                                                cgrant last edited by

                                                                There aren't a lot of Argentinians playing overseas. But three of them could be valuable additions to the Pumas team : Facundo Isa (Nr.8), Juan Imhoff (wing) and Figuallo (THP). Plus maybe Fernandez (Clermont) as a backup for Sanchez.

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                                                                • MiketheSnow
                                                                  MiketheSnow @cgrant last edited by

                                                                  @cgrant said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                                                  There aren't a lot of Argentinians playing overseas. But three of them could be valuable additions to the Pumas team : Facundo Isa (Nr.8), Juan Imhoff (wing) and Figuallo (THP). Plus maybe Fernandez (Clermont) as a backup for Sanchez.

                                                                  Agreed. This is pretty much how good Argentina can be.

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                                                                    rustycruiser @Billy Tell last edited by

                                                                    @Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                                                    Boks are back! That was a really good display across the paddock and the bench was excellent. Reckon nz could struggle in the republic.

                                                                    Not so sure. All Blacks are a class above. Reckon the Boks probably have 2nd place locked up, with maybe a closer loss to the ABs in the Republic vs the one in NZ

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                                                                    • Billy Tell
                                                                      Billy Tell @rustycruiser last edited by

                                                                      @rustycruiser said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                                                      @Billy-Tell said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                                                      Boks are back! That was a really good display across the paddock and the bench was excellent. Reckon nz could struggle in the republic.

                                                                      Not so sure. All Blacks are a class above. Reckon the Boks probably have 2nd place locked up, with maybe a closer loss to the ABs in the Republic vs the one in NZ

                                                                      Yeah I'd bet on us. But you can't take much from Saturday - Aussie defence was woeful.

                                                                      That Boks pack dominated the set-piece, handily won the tackle & ruck area, Jantjes kicked 7/7 and they scored 4 tries, including from some entertaining back play.

                                                                      NZ have lost the 2nd half of their last 3 matches apparently, bench wasn't too flash, and I personally thought McKenzie was a bit at sea at times at the back - mistake free is the number one requirement of an international FB IMHO.

                                                                      Boks have a good pack, in particular Jaco Kriel is a more than decent 6/7 and their 9 Cronje delivers decent swift ball, and takes good options.

                                                                      Their outside backs are probably suspect on defence, Raymond Rhule in particular can be a turnstile, but I'm expecting the game in SA to be potentially close. Someone described the Boks as just the Brumbies reinvented, which I think is off the mark myself, but we see.

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                                                                      • Bones
                                                                        Bones @cgrant last edited by

                                                                        @cgrant said in Springboks vs Argentina (Port Elizabeth):

                                                                        There aren't a lot of Argentinians playing overseas. But three of them could be valuable additions to the Pumas team : Facundo Isa (Nr.8), Juan Imhoff (wing) and Figuallo (THP). Plus maybe Fernandez (Clermont) as a backup for Sanchez.

                                                                        Marcelo Bosch's form can't have dropped off a cliff? He was their best player a couple of years ago. Isa isn't exactly a small loss either.

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                                                                          cgrant @Bones last edited by

                                                                          @Bones
                                                                          Their midfield is not their biggest problem. They need a better front row (Ayerza was a big loss after the WC) and forwards that can break tackles.

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                                                                          • Bones
                                                                            Bones @cgrant last edited by

                                                                            @cgrant That's a bit like saying our locks are fine if Retallick or Whitelock weren't there.

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