Counties Manukau v North Harbour
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Counties Manukau
1 Pauliasi Manu, 2. Joe Royal, 3. Kalolo Tuiloma, 4. Viliame Rarasea, 5. Matiaha Martin, 6. Ronald Raaymakers, 7. Fotu Lokotui, 8. Sam Henwood;
9 Jonathan Taumateine, 10. Stephen Donald
, 11. Tevita Nabura, 12. Orbyn Leger, 13. Tim Nanai-Williams, 14. Nigel Ah Wong, 15. Luteru Laulala.Reserves:
16 Gafatasi Su'a, 17. Sean Bagshaw, 18. Coree Te Whata-Colley, 19. Leroy Jack, 20. Johnathan Kawau, 21, Liam Daniela, 22. Baden Kerr, 23. Albert Nikoro -
Looking forward to the front-row battle.
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Nikoro's fourth NPC side - Auckland, Tasman, Waikato now Counties
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Harbour
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Chris Eves
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James Parsons (C)
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Sione Mafileo
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Gerard Cowley-Tuioti
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Jarrad Hoeata
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Glenn Preston
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Connor Collett
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Hapakuki Moala-Liava'a
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Bryn Hall
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Bryn Gatland
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Tevita Li
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Harrison Groundwater
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Matt Vaega
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Mark Telea
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Ben Volavola
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Steven Misa
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Karl Tuinukuafe
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Mike Tamoaieta
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Brandon Nansen
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Shane Neville
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Chris Smylie
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Dan Hilton-Jones
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Shaun Stevenson
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Sorry for shit formatting
Few too many changes for my liking! No duffie and Stevenson to the bench.
Was Murphy Taramai injured?
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@Duluth said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Nikoro's fourth NPC side - Auckland, Tasman, Waikato now Counties
He's got Rico Gear's record in his sights.
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Everyone should get their money on CM now. They are the surest of sure things.
I've tipped Harbour for the first time this season.
They're doooooooooomed.
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haha yeah i had a look and CM should win here. Harbour due a loss so have rested a few players to assist with the task.
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Hardcase listening to the commentators on the stream I have found. Sounds like they are practicing before the actual broadcast.
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@mikedogz
Any huge calls to look forward to? 
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Is the lighting at the ground poor, or is it just me?
The wide shots are bad, the lighting is making it look like TV coverage of a game from in '90s. -
@Tim Tony Johnson's pen ran out of ink.
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@Gunner Maybe because there is no light coming off the side of the field as there is an embankment not a grandstand.
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Have they shown a shot of the new goat tonight?
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Serious question here - I thought you weren't allowed to dive onto a player on the ground?
I think the right/sensible call was made, as the defender must be allowed the opportunity to defend his try line.
Just wondering what the actual rule is, and how can they differentiate this from the other one we see more often and is penalised - an attacking player diving on a defender who has himself dived on a loose ball...
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I was worried he would get carded for the knee. A team mate this year did in club rugby. The timing of the knee was different in the club rugby game where it happened after the try.
Counties are winning the scrums but losing the ball in the contest. The try before half time shows what they can do. Nigel ah Wong is a waste of money for a Super rugby player he doesn't really stand out. Beaver has lost a yard or two of pace I think. TNW still has his.
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It would have been interesting to see if the ref would have made a call if C-M didn't score as the NH backs never got back onside.
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@mikedogz Good scrum battle, with Counties up 3 - 1 so far. Manu looking good.
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What do our Cantabs know about Groundwater?
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@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Serious question here - I thought you weren't allowed to dive onto a player on the ground?
I think the right/sensible call was made, as the defender must be allowed the opportunity to defend his try line.
Just wondering what the actual rule is, and how can they differentiate this from the other one we see more often and is penalised - an attacking player diving on a defender who has himself dived on a loose ball...
Law 14.1 and it makes really interesting reading. You could interpret it as that a player can't dive from a long way out and remove the ball from being contestable.
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TNW in! CM take the lead
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TNW in, great footwork.
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Jinx @Crucial
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Gatland looked like he was struggling with that last kick. Now he's left the field.
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I missed watching the first half. How is Taumateine going tonight? Thought he had a great game against the Naki.
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@Crucial said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Serious question here - I thought you weren't allowed to dive onto a player on the ground?
I think the right/sensible call was made, as the defender must be allowed the opportunity to defend his try line.
Just wondering what the actual rule is, and how can they differentiate this from the other one we see more often and is penalised - an attacking player diving on a defender who has himself dived on a loose ball...
Law 14.1 and it makes really interesting reading. You could interpret it as that a player can't dive from a long way out and remove the ball from being contestable.
So should have been a penalty to counties for an early dive...
Does it say anything about diving on a player on the ground and/or the differentiation between the two circumstances?
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@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Crucial said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Serious question here - I thought you weren't allowed to dive onto a player on the ground?
I think the right/sensible call was made, as the defender must be allowed the opportunity to defend his try line.
Just wondering what the actual rule is, and how can they differentiate this from the other one we see more often and is penalised - an attacking player diving on a defender who has himself dived on a loose ball...
Law 14.1 and it makes really interesting reading. You could interpret it as that a player can't dive from a long way out and remove the ball from being contestable.
So should have been a penalty to counties for an early dive...
Does it say anything about diving on a player on the ground and/or the differentiation between the two circumstances?
(a) Falling over the player on the ground with the ball. A player must not intentionally fall on or over a player with the ball who is lying on the ground.
Key phrase here is 'lying on the ground'. This law is all about tackled or stationary players and protecting them from floppers denying them the ability to play the ball.
There is also part of the law that says..
14.1 Players on the ground
(a)
A player with the ball must immediately do one of three things:
Get up with the ball
Pass the ball
Release the ball.and
The Game is to be played by players who are on their feet. A player must not make the ball unplayable by falling down. Unplayable means that the ball is not immediately available to either team so that play may continue.
A player who makes the ball unplayable, or who obstructs the opposing team by falling down, is negating the purpose and Spirit of the Game and must be penalised.
A player who is not tackled, but who goes to ground while holding the ball, or a player who goes to ground and gathers the ball, must act immediately. -
Sheesh, did you see the motor on that Counties prop who was just subbed?
Sponsored by Big Ben?
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Wow, big call there.
Didn't look forward to me in real time.
Edit, yea it probably was forward.
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@Gunner said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Wow, big call there.
Didn't look forward to me in real time.
Edit, yea it probably was forward.
Big ups to the ref for backing himself.I think the call was from the sideline. I had suspicions in real time.
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@Crucial excellent with his kicks
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@mikedogz said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
@Crucial excellent with his kicks
Box kicking accuracy seems to be a strength. I have a suspicion the AB selectors may like that.
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NH look to have done a lot of work on running lines near the tackle. They are using their big guys well to make ground running at weak shoulders
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Parsons looks screwed
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Hilton Jones bombed a try there.
Good Northland name that. Can't be a common name, must be connected to the ones from up here?
In fact I have a colleague who is a Hilton Jones, I shall find out!
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Counties scrum gone to shit. I expect more from a good Onewhero man, Bagshaw.
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Counties have gone backwards since last year. Leger is promising and handy with his left boot.
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@mikedogz said in Counties Manukau v North Harbour:
Counties have gone backwards since last year. Leger is promising and handy with his left boot.
Agree. A unsettled back row and centres are contributing to that though. It is like every game is a new one rather than building from one to the other.
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@Stockcar86 put this in the wrong thread
@Stockcar86 said in 2016 World Sevens Series:
Whats with the ref unwilling to blow penalties at scrum time. That Counties #8 was facing his own try line picking up that try the scrum had screwed so much
I agree with that example but more worryingly is that is seems to be a directive this year across all rugby to not apply reward to a dominant scrum if the ball can get out.
I am probably one of the culprits that disliked the imbalance of 'scrumming for penalties' but I think they have swung a bit far the other way.
I just seem to see in nearly every game a team getting their arse handed to them at a scrum but coming out of it almost in a better position. -
The scrum battle came down to who had their first-choice props on the field. Manu dominated Mafileo but when Tamoaieta replaced him Harbour was in control against the C-M reserve props.
