Vegas Shooting
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Maybe it was a different kind of terrorism.
It's currently all the liberal rage in popular liberal media culture to call good ol' boys "white supremacists" and "Klansmen" and "Nazis."
And part of that conditioning of the leftist brain in contemporary American liberal media culture is the acceptance that it's perfectly okay to punch a "Nazi" and excuse any sort of violence against a "Nazi," and of course everybody who watches American liberal news media knows Putin stole the election and all Trump supporters are Nazis.
Country-music fans are nothing if not Confederate-flag flyin' racist crackers and Trump supporters -- I know this because CNN never ceases to stop telling me -- and here these Nazis were all planning on congregating in a small confined area like fish in a barrel.
Just sayin'...
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Semi's go in blasts, three rounds tops before refiring. That's a rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat machine-gun.
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The first step towards gun control is convincing your populace they don't need guns to be safe. The US with its current divides is going in the opposite direction. Maybe he next time the celebs and sports stars have a platform. ..they should be less divisive.
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
Semi's go in blasts, three rounds tops before refiring. That's a rat-a-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat-tat machine-gun.
As an ex-small arms coach and qualified range instructor in the Australian Army, I think I have an idea of what firearms sound like.
As I said, I'd have to listen to it again, not that it changes the outcome. It's quite easy to change most common semis into automatic weapons anyway. The old L1A1 SLR required a matchstick...
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That's clearly automatic small arms fire ~35 secs in.
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@salacious-crumb this is 'terrorism' just not in the form people associate it with in recent years.
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@gt12 There have been a few articles floating around. Not on a PC at the moment but this brings up the 23% and illustrates some potential problems with the stat. I think the other one that comes up is the lowish crime rate in Texas. It would be really interesting to see a non-partisan analysis of the facts and figures. As others alluded to however even if it is gun ownership the issue, the horse has already bolted.
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
Maybe it was a different kind of terrorism.
It's currently all the liberal rage in popular liberal media culture to call good ol' boys "white supremacists" and "Klansmen" and "Nazis."
And part of that conditioning of the leftist brain in contemporary American liberal media culture is the acceptance that it's perfectly okay to punch a "Nazi" and excuse any sort of violence against a "Nazi," and of course everybody who watches American liberal news media knows Putin stole the election and all Trump supporters are Nazis.
Country-music fans are nothing if not Confederate-flag flyin' racist crackers and Trump supporters -- I know this because CNN never ceases to stop telling me -- and here these Nazis were all planning on congregating in a small confined area like fish in a barrel.
Just sayin'...
Yeah, it will be hard pinning white supremacist and Nazi on a guy who guns down hundreds of white people. Won't stop the usual suspect from trying though.
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@antipodean Yeah, is a very hard mindset to understand especially coming from countries with strong gun control and significantly less gun deaths.
I wonder are people in the US more violent? Fron my own fairly limited experience outside of a certain ghettoised areas I didn't find people very agressive or violent at all. If I was do to the walking home by myself from a pub test I'd rate New Zealand pretty bad for unprovoked attacks. Of course this is generally weaponless so the outcomes aren't so bad.
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@rembrandt Crime figures vary significantly depending on rural/ city, location, ethnic makeup and socio-economic factors.
Americans are among the most polite people I've ever met. But as a whole the country is violent.
This is the USA compared to other countries that rank high on the Human Development Index:
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Chicago is a gun-free zone, and clearly it's working.
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The FBI has spent the better part of the past year throwing all their resources investigating Putin stole the election and Drumpf colluded with the evil Rooskies -- just be patient, throw some more money and special prosecutors in our direction and we'll find the smoking gun any month now...
...Yet they took all of an hour to declare this psycho Vegas sniper had zero connection to any terrorist organization.
Who, me, skeptical...?
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.
no. you don't argue this point by anecdote. you argue it by statistics.
france is a shitload safer than the US in terms of gun deaths. they have far fewer mass shootings.
the stats indicate that gun control frequently does stop things like this happening.
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@reprobate said in Vegas Shooting:
@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.
no. you don't argue this point by anecdote. you argue it by statistics.
What do you mean I don't...? I just farkin' did. If you don't like the argument, so be it. A nightclub in Paris got shot up i n a nation with strict gun control laws. You dispute this? Oh, you want stats. Alrighty then. 130 people were mowed down in a nighclub where gun laws are really-really tough.
france is a shitload safer than the US in terms of gun deaths. they have far fewer mass shootings.
the stats indicate that gun control frequently does stop things like this happening.
sometimes it will still happen, yes. less often is still a win. -
Here's the headline I've been waiting for...
O.J. Spends First Night As Free Man Near Scene Of Massacre
"I hope nobody tries to pin any of this on you’"
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@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
@reprobate said in Vegas Shooting:
@salacious-crumb said in Vegas Shooting:
And again, stricter gun control like they have in France would not have prevented this atrocity, any more than strict gun control laws in France stopped the atrocity at Bataclan nightclub in Paris. If you're psychopathic, evil and motivated enough, you'll find a way, even if it's a van filled with fertilizer.
no. you don't argue this point by anecdote. you argue it by statistics.
What do you mean I don't...? I just farkin' did. If you don't like the argument, so be it. A nightclub in Paris got shot up i n a nation with strict gun control laws. You dispute this? Oh, you want stats. Alrighty then. 130 people were mowed down in a nighclub where gun laws are really-really tough.
france is a shitload safer than the US in terms of gun deaths. they have far fewer mass shootings.
the stats indicate that gun control frequently does stop things like this happening.
sometimes it will still happen, yes. less often is still a win.the relevant stat is france's much lower number of mass shootings.
of course it could just be the cheese keeping them relatively safer than the septics - that would be an argument too, and just as shit a one.
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Equally relevant is you can have all the laws in the world against these weapons, but if someone if motivated enough, they'll find a way. Both France and United States had bloody revolutions. The history, culture and commitment is there.
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@antipodean said in Vegas Shooting:
That's clearly automatic small arms fire ~35 secs in.
Or he's the best double-handed riflemaster in the known universe.