Waikato and the Chiefs



  • @gt12 said in Waikato and the Chiefs:

    @crucial said in Waikato and the Chiefs:

    Interesting to raise this thread again now that the super squads have been announced.

    The Chiefs have two thirds of their players from within their boundaries (which is about par I imagine)
    There are 4 Mitre10 Cup teams to select from and the split is Taranaki 8, Waikato 7, BOP 6 and CM 4.

    Only HB gets on par with selections from outside, with their 4 equalling CM.

    And, a few of our worst selections a 'local' players. Fuck that, I want the best team for the Chiefs. I can support both Waikato and the Chiefs as different things.

    I'm already pretty non-plussed with Cooper.

    Well the Naki wanted their own franchise and it looks like they may have one.





  • @shark

    This story from stuff this morning is a good companion piece to this thread. Waikato's recent history makes dismal reading, and seems to have gone hand in hand with the Chiefs' improvement in Super Rugby using central contracting to it's full extreme.



  • The issue with the article is that if the players were out there, and Waikato weren't picking them up, then they'd be coming through in other provinces,and if they were good enough for the ABs they'd be making the ABs. The fact they're not tends to point to a dearth of talent at the moment and sometimes schoolboy success doesn't automatically mean those players come through at senior level.



  • @nepia

    But, have a look at the huge number of Waikato origin players who have played for other countries in the professional era. It should astound you.



  • @arhs said in Waikato and the Chiefs:

    @nepia

    But, have a look at the huge number of Waikato origin players who have played for other countries in the professional era. It should astound you.

    Would be helpful if you provided the list. 🙂



  • The pacific paradise of Tokoroa ..... providing international rugby players since ages ago.



  • @nepia said in Waikato and the Chiefs:

    The issue with the article is that if the players were out there, and Waikato weren't picking them up, then they'd be coming through in other provinces,and if they were good enough for the ABs they'd be making the ABs. The fact they're not tends to point to a dearth of talent at the moment and sometimes schoolboy success doesn't automatically mean those players come through at senior level.

    Yep, totally. I posted this story tongue slightly-in-cheek, as if the Chiefs are sabotaging Waikato, and while there's no doubt the lack of Waikato players in the Chiefs really hurts Waikato, the crux of the issue seems to be the inability of the union to develop players beyond the U20 level.



  • shame that article didn't go into deeper detail about player numbers.. a part of Waikatos decline is that i reckon there's fcuk all people playing rugby on a Sat anymore - but would love to see some actual stats compared to history and across regions to see if that's true or not.



  • The online article is more comprehensive than what I had read in the newspaper.

    @WillieTheWaiter What has Waikato spent on player salaries in recent years compared to other provinces? I remember reading that it was well below the salary cap, largely due to the historical debt owed by the WRU.

    As mentioned it is hard to keep players (and develop them) if there are better offers in Europe/Japan and they are not getting a SR contract.


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