Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll
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@dogmeat said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
On radio this morning English said he thought more discussions were needed whereas Aderne sent out a video over the weekend saying she was happy with how they had concluded....
Him coming out saying exporters will be happy also suggests Labour will be announced and our dollar will temporarily free-fall.
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So if he does go Red, how will that go down when they need to involve the Greens?
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@taniwharugby said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
So if he does go Red, how will that go down when they need to involve the Greens?
yep, this.
From a NZF perspective, you hand the Greens the right to veto any legislation, ever. Can't see it happening. Winnie hates the Greens. Far easier to negotiate and agree with one old white guy that he knows and mostly trusts.
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No good can come from a Peters/Shaw/Ardern axis. Even though Ardern has the strongest claim to an actual mandate for change (or tweaks) she is so inexperienced at this level and would be no match for Peters in terms of old rat cunning. He will mock her relentless happy clappy stuff. As for Shaw, he has shown time and again that he likes to talk tough with nothing concrete behind it, so I can't see him and Peters ever getting along (I imagine them like a crusty old timer with a yappy dog at his feet that he is forced to swat every so often.) They are just all too philosophically different, and while Labour and Greens do align on some things, they don't have nearly enough numbers to go it alone.
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I hope he goes Labour, but think he will go National.
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@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
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@paekakboyz said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
On what basis do you think Ardern has steel?
She has demonstrated nothing of substance let alone steel. -
@snowy rediculous argument when winny won nzf there entire 7%
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@paekakboyz said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
On what basis do you think Ardern has steel?
She has demonstrated nothing of substance let alone steel.Agree. She was a list MP who did nothing in the way of policy or legislation. She lost several electorate seat battles, then finally won the safest Labour seat in NZ this year thanks to an unopposed by-election. Then named Labour leader, when quite frankly a trained seal would have been looked on more favourably than whatshisface. Ardern has shown she can smile, that she can interact with people, that she knows how to soundbite. But she has NEVER been tested. Never had her feet to the fire, or been put under any kind of pressure. The Greens imploded next to her, so Labour picked up a fuckton of disenchanted left voters. She gained a lot of goodwill leading up to the election thanks to the most vomit-inducing bum smooching I think I've ever seen from NZ political media. And this from a woman who claimed she turned down the party leadership initially.
So no, I'm not nearly as confident as some about her 'steel'. IMHO that has yet to be demonstrated.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@paekakboyz said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
On what basis do you think Ardern has steel?
She has demonstrated nothing of substance let alone steel.Steel? She's only been leader for 5 minutes!! No electorate wins, no bills passed. And apart from a handful of veterans of the Clark years the rest of her MPs are greener or as green as she is (I'm agreeing with you BTW
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@muddyriver said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@snowy rediculous argument when winny won nzf there entire 7%
What is ridiculous? The fact that he didn't win his own seat?
I have proposed that NZF are fucked when he is gone. Hardly "rediculous".
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@snowy it's rediculous because he did win his own seat and the seats of 7 more or so in his party. He is the party vote. Winning his electorate would have gained him next to nothing
