Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll
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I reckon he is going labour
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@hooroo said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
I reckon he is going labour
Me too. Against the majority of the country, which will make him even more of a dick IMHO.
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Most likely Deputy PM I imagine.
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On radio this morning English said he thought more discussions were needed whereas Aderne sent out a video over the weekend saying she was happy with how they had concluded....
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@hooroo Yeah, when he couldn't win a seat in his own right...
Which makes it all a bit wrong.
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@dogmeat said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
On radio this morning English said he thought more discussions were needed whereas Aderne sent out a video over the weekend saying she was happy with how they had concluded....
Him coming out saying exporters will be happy also suggests Labour will be announced and our dollar will temporarily free-fall.
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So if he does go Red, how will that go down when they need to involve the Greens?
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Black at the head....
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@taniwharugby said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
So if he does go Red, how will that go down when they need to involve the Greens?
yep, this.
From a NZF perspective, you hand the Greens the right to veto any legislation, ever. Can't see it happening. Winnie hates the Greens. Far easier to negotiate and agree with one old white guy that he knows and mostly trusts.
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No good can come from a Peters/Shaw/Ardern axis. Even though Ardern has the strongest claim to an actual mandate for change (or tweaks) she is so inexperienced at this level and would be no match for Peters in terms of old rat cunning. He will mock her relentless happy clappy stuff. As for Shaw, he has shown time and again that he likes to talk tough with nothing concrete behind it, so I can't see him and Peters ever getting along (I imagine them like a crusty old timer with a yappy dog at his feet that he is forced to swat every so often.) They are just all too philosophically different, and while Labour and Greens do align on some things, they don't have nearly enough numbers to go it alone.
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I hope he goes Labour, but think he will go National.
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@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
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@paekakboyz said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
On what basis do you think Ardern has steel?
She has demonstrated nothing of substance let alone steel. -
@snowy rediculous argument when winny won nzf there entire 7%
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@paekakboyz said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
On what basis do you think Ardern has steel?
She has demonstrated nothing of substance let alone steel.Agree. She was a list MP who did nothing in the way of policy or legislation. She lost several electorate seat battles, then finally won the safest Labour seat in NZ this year thanks to an unopposed by-election. Then named Labour leader, when quite frankly a trained seal would have been looked on more favourably than whatshisface. Ardern has shown she can smile, that she can interact with people, that she knows how to soundbite. But she has NEVER been tested. Never had her feet to the fire, or been put under any kind of pressure. The Greens imploded next to her, so Labour picked up a fuckton of disenchanted left voters. She gained a lot of goodwill leading up to the election thanks to the most vomit-inducing bum smooching I think I've ever seen from NZ political media. And this from a woman who claimed she turned down the party leadership initially.
So no, I'm not nearly as confident as some about her 'steel'. IMHO that has yet to be demonstrated.
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@baron-silas-greenback said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@paekakboyz said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@Mokey I would have thought the longer it goes on the more likely Winnie is thrashing that stuff out with Shaw and Ardern. Without getting Pollyanna I think Winnie will find that Ardern does have some steel in her, inexperienced or not as (potential) leader.
Pretty sure that 'getting along' with Winston is secondary to being in power too. Can't be too many people he actually likes across all parties, including his own!!
On what basis do you think Ardern has steel?
She has demonstrated nothing of substance let alone steel.Steel? She's only been leader for 5 minutes!! No electorate wins, no bills passed. And apart from a handful of veterans of the Clark years the rest of her MPs are greener or as green as she is (I'm agreeing with you BTW
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@muddyriver said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@snowy rediculous argument when winny won nzf there entire 7%
What is ridiculous? The fact that he didn't win his own seat?
I have proposed that NZF are fucked when he is gone. Hardly "rediculous".
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@mokey during the newshub debate the minute English, who I don't regard as a particularly good public speaker or debater, harassed her Jacinda acted like a whiney child
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@snowy it's rediculous because he did win his own seat and the seats of 7 more or so in his party. He is the party vote. Winning his electorate would have gained him next to nothing
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@muddyriver No he didn't win his own seat. His local electorate didn't want him but enough people around the country did so he gets there.
I'm not sure what your argument is - or what "rediculous" means. My point is that that most of the population don't want him to be controlling our country - as you say he only got 7 seats.
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@snowy winston is only in the position of controlling the country because our two major parties rule out working together for the good of the country.
you want someone to blame for this, start with them. winston is just representing the votes he was given.
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@reprobate said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@snowy winston is only in the position of controlling the country because our two major parties rule out working together for the good of the country.
you want someone to blame for this, start with them. winston is just representing the votes he was given.
Yep.
I am interested - how many people on here know a damn thing about NZ first policies?
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@snowy it's probably(?) not deliberate, but the best thing about that nz first page is the prominence of 'racing'. i can't see any logical ordering other than 'this is what we've chosen', and racing sits above:
commerce and tax
maori affairs
foreign affairs and trade
defence
education
housing
immigration
health
law and order
economics
environment
super
etc.now i love me a day at the races, and the industry is significant, but...really?
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@baron-silas-greenback (and co) perhaps the operative word there is some. I thought she stuck to her guns well during the debates, when there was some trading of shots going on she didn't wobble as much as I thought she might. She smacked Davis when he got out of line and hasn't fallen over herself (imo) to court Winnie.. at least not publicly. Oh, plus she was straight up on the Greens when Ms Fraud started down her benefit story. But as Mokey and other pointed out picking up ex-greens was easy pickings.
Not sure how good any labour member's record would be bill-wise after so long with National in the drivers seat. Not a great deal of opportunity to get much done in terms of policy no?
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@reprobate said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
now i love me a day at the races, and the industry is significant, but...really?
I think Winnie and NZ First may have a fair bit of funding from racing interests. If so, this would probably explain the prominence of Racing policy
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Yeah think labour too unfortunately
At least all the farking around over the last few weeks and most likely the week to come will cut down on the time they have to wreck our economy
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@nzzp said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@reprobate said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
now i love me a day at the races, and the industry is significant, but...really?
I think Winnie and NZ First may have a fair bit of funding from racing interests. If so, this would probably explain the prominence of Racing policy
Hmmmm.... edit: from 2009, but still relevant.
http://www.stuff.co.nz/national/politics/545147/Peters-Policy-set-before-racing-family-donation
Winston Peters says donations from the wealthy horse-racing-linked Vela family had no bearing on New Zealand First's racing policy, which was written years earlier.
The NZ First leader, who is also Minister of Racing and Foreign Affairs, is facing intense scrutiny after a series of revelations regarding party donors.
The Dominion Post reported yesterday the party received multiple donations from the Vela family's fishing and thoroughbred companies between 1999 and 2003 – all made out for amounts under $10,000.
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@snowy said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
I'm not sure what your argument is - or what "rediculous" means.
Since when has spelling been a prerequisite for posting on The Fern?
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@booboo said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@snowy said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
I'm not sure what your argument is - or what "rediculous" means.
Since when has spelling been a prerequisite for posting on The Fern?
Well the spelling of names has caused some angst in the past - Rieko, Read and Messam spring to mind.
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@booboo said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@snowy said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
I'm not sure what your argument is - or what "rediculous" means.
Since when has spelling been a prerequisite for posting on The Fern?
Jeez, the website was even started by a bloke famous for his regular disconnect between brain, fingers and keyboard.
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@snowy said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
Well the spelling of names has caused some angst in the past - Rieko, Read and Messam spring to mind.
you mean Reiko, Reid and Messum.
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@crucial said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@booboo said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@snowy said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
I'm not sure what your argument is - or what "rediculous" means.
Since when has spelling been a prerequisite for posting on The Fern?
Jeez, the website was even started by a bloke famous for his regular disconnect between brain, fingers and keyboard.
Oh right, Burt. Forgotten about him.
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Things been running pretty smoothly since the election, very little finger pointing and bitching from parliament, maybe the people done good with thier vote at this election....
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Might we get a decision this week?
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@mokey •Peters has said NZ will know who the next government is by the end of the week at the latest
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NZ First Board was meeting today so hoped we would get an announcement today
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@taniwharugby said in Is Winnie going Labour Or National Poll:
@mokey •Peters has said NZ will know who the next government is by the end of the week at the latest
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15 of you couldn't read the tea leaves....
