D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders
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Today, Oct 31, Tuesday morning, World Rugby plans to announce who is the recommended host country for RWC 2023. The recommendation is contained in a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who have pored through every detail of the three bids. Apparently they've looked at everything from travel times, to accommodation, stadia facilities, and how long the queues would be for the loo.
Bookies had Ireland as favourites but the odds have lengthened slightly. Bill Beaumont and Agustin Pichot were given the report last Friday. The full document will be released to media tomorrow to maintain transparency and integrity of the bid process.
All the WR unions, except the three bidders, will vote on who should get it on November 15. It's a secret ballot, but the likelihood of a vote going against the recommendation would cause more than a few raised eyebrows. It could still happen though.
There could be a lot of glum faces by midday GMT tomorrow in either Dublin, or Paris or Cape Town.
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Today I have learnt something.
Dodn't really know what the process was
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As long as it isn't France I'm not fussed. Can make a valid argument for either of the other two but 16 years after 2007 is just too soon
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If the Home Nations vote as a bloc then Ireland stands a good chance, particularly if games are given to Scotland, England and Wales.
I'd like them to get it too as Ireland has never hosted a RWC. Otherwise, SA as 1995 is a long time ago.
Hopefully Argentina and Italy put their names in the hat to host later RWCs.
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The recommendation is contained in a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who have pored through every detail of the three bids. Apparently they've looked at everything from travel times, to accommodation, stadia facilities, and how long the queues would be for the loo.but the likelihood of a vote going against the recommendation would cause more than a few raised eyebrows.I'm a bit uneasy about an independent firm of assessors have too much sway to be honest.
I'm happy for them to provide a report, comparing pros and cons etc. That the board members can study to make their voting decision.
But should they then provide a recommendation?
How can an 'independent firm of assessors' e.g auditors and accountants - compare the cash cow of a France bid to the first time in traditional member Ireland, to South Africa that may or may not be meddled with by hostile politicians.
It's a balalnce of emoticve choice, $$$ choice for funding next 4 year IRB cycle, and if a new territory in 2027 (Argentina & USA) were to bid, then there is an element of hunch.
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@bovidae said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
If the Home Nations vote as a bloc then Ireland stands a good chance, particularly if games are given to Scotland, England and Wales.
I'd like them to get it too as Ireland has never hosted a RWC. Otherwise, SA as 1995 is a long time ago.
Hopefully Argentina and Italy put their names in the hat to host later RWCs.
My understanding was that Ireland's bid is standalone so no game gifts? I'd like to see Ireland host their first cup, SA to be next. I agree that Argentina could do it, they have the infrastructure. So do Italy for that matter but both countries may suffer as rugby is dwarfed by football
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@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
Today, Oct 31, Tuesday morning, World Rugby plans to announce who is the recommended host country for RWC 2023. The recommendation is contained in a 220 page analysis report conducted by an independent firm of assessors who have pored through every detail of the three bids. Apparently they've looked at everything from travel times, to accommodation, stadia facilities, and how long the queues would be for the loo.
Bookies had Ireland as favourites but the odds have lengthened slightly. Bill Beaumont and Agustin Pichot were given the report last Friday. The full document will be released to media tomorrow to maintain transparency and integrity of the bid process.
All the WR unions, except the three bidders, will vote on who should get it on November 15. It's a secret ballot, but the likelihood of a vote going against the recommendation would cause more than a few raised eyebrows. It could still happen though.
There could be a lot of glum faces by midday GMT tomorrow in either Dublin, or Paris or Cape Town.
Have a thanks for including tags on your post!
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Congrats paddys
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@dogmeat said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
As long as it isn't France I'm not fussed. Can make a valid argument for either of the other two but 16 years after 2007 is just too soon
What happened in 2007?
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@bovidae said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
If the Home Nations vote as a bloc then Ireland stands a good chance, particularly if games are given to Scotland, England and Wales.
I'd like them to get it too as Ireland has never hosted a RWC. Otherwise, SA as 1995 is a long time ago.
Hopefully Argentina and Italy put their names in the hat to host later RWCs.
It’s an island of Ireland bid only. Only individual unions can bid. No sharing of games between unions was allowed.
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@pot-hale
OK, so is the IRFU confident of the Eng, Scot and Welsh votes?
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@bovidae said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale
OK, so is the IRFU confident of the Eng, Scot and Welsh votes?
No. Wales could vote differently. Not sure about England.
Scotland, USA, Canada, NZ they’re confident about.They need 21.
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Go Ireland!!!
Bill would get a doozy of a party for six weeks!
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@act-crusader said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@dogmeat said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
As long as it isn't France I'm not fussed. Can make a valid argument for either of the other two but 16 years after 2007 is just too soon
What happened in 2007?
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@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@bovidae said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale
OK, so is the IRFU confident of the Eng, Scot and Welsh votes?
No. Wales could vote differently. Not sure about England.
Scotland, USA, Canada, NZ they’re confident about.They need 21.
Good luck mate, I hope your boys get the gig. Also hope you do better than we did in our RWC
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@catogrande said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@bovidae said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale
OK, so is the IRFU confident of the Eng, Scot and Welsh votes?
No. Wales could vote differently. Not sure about England.
Scotland, USA, Canada, NZ they’re confident about.They need 21.
Good luck mate, I hope your boys get the gig. Also hope you do better than we did in our RWC
Cheers. We’ll know about recommendation in 20 minutes at 11am GMT.
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9 mins before deadline, twitter story breaking:
Midi Olympique reporting World Rugby will back South Africa as 2023 World Cup hosts. Also say "Ireland came last in all criteria"
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RTE now confirming it:
South Africa recommended as 2023 Rugby World Cup host by technical review group
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I guess with all the soccer world cup stadia in place they always had the inside running, especially after the political powers that be recommended it
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@tewaio said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
9 mins before deadline, twitter story breaking:
Midi Olympique reporting World Rugby will back South Africa as 2023 World Cup hosts. Also say "Ireland came last in all criteria"
I'd like to know what the criteria were
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In descending order of importance, they were:
finance and tournament guarantees;
venues and host cities;
tournament infrastructure;
vision and concept,
tournament organisation and schedule.I'm not a fan of the "order of importance".
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SA announced by WR as the recommended hosts.
Congrats SA.
Very disappointed for Ireland. Bugger and shite.
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How the hell did South Africa put forward a "vision and concept" better than Ireland's "ah, it'll be a grand ol' craic, aye"
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I figured that Ireland would have put on a similar cup to us. Guess we shouldn't hope to host another cup anytime soon
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@kruse said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
How the hell did South Africa put forward a "vision and concept" better than Ireland's "ah, it'll be a grand ol' craic, aye"
Turns out they didn't - and Ireland did NOT come last in all criteria, they just came last in the total score.
The report has the actual scores for each criteria, with weighting.
SA come last in "vision and hosting concept" -
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Good to know that money is 7 times more important than a well organised tournament.
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@kruse They didn't use something that clichéd?
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@tim said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@kruse They didn't use something that clichéd?
Just skimming through the report, it seems they paraphrased... "the ‘Irish welcome’"
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Bollocks. Bugger. Shite. Fuck. Feck. Arse. Girls.
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While the South African "vision" is pretty much described as boring...
The vision, while not going above and beyond in creative
terms, is founded on achievability, ...And the boring pricks managed to pretend innovation by shoehorning in the term "cloud-based", although they didn't think of mentioning "big-data".
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Nice that SA got the recommendation - but there is still a lot of water to flow under this bridge. I expect there will be a ton of back-room deals being done prior to the vote and i am giving SA at best a 50% chance of finally securing the deal.
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@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
Bollocks. Bugger. Shite. Fuck. Feck. Arse. Girls.
Should really have included that in the bid.
But yeah - feel for ya. Would have loved to have spent a month or so riding around Ireland watching rugby. -
This is the first time there has been a board recommendation for a one off RWC? Traditionally voting has been pretty unpredictable year on year.
Still seems like several key hurdles that would do SA in - the rand being terrible, their sports admin always being bonkers, safety and security concerns as things could deteriorate even further in the next 6 years.
I would also imagine that Ireland have the Home Unions in their pocket (mind you stranger things have happened Australia went against us in 2011) which would be a very nice head start on voting.
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@rotated said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
This is the first time there has been a board recommendation for a one off RWC? Traditionally voting has been pretty unpredictable year on year.
Still seems like several key hurdles that would do SA in - the rand being terrible, their sports admin always being bonkers, safety and security concerns as things could deteriorate even further in the next 6 years.
I would also imagine that Ireland have the Home Unions in their pocket (mind you stranger things have happened Australia went against us in 2011) which would be a very nice head start on voting.
Nix on the Home Unions. A number of the unions including NZRU have said they will vote with the recommendation - why bother having it otherwise.
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Media release (contains link to evaluation report):
Rugby World Cup Board recommends South Africa as RWC 2023 host
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The jokes have started already.
IRFU said they are going to boycott the semi-final and final in protest.
FFR plan to reduce number of foreign players in Top 14 from 93% to 92% may now have to be put on hold.
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@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
Nix on the Home Unions. A number of the unions including NZRU have said they will vote with the recommendation - why bother having it otherwise.
Surprising - perhaps because they didn't dole out sub hosting deals like Wales and France have in the past?
The evaluation is based on an entirely arbitrary set of weighted criteria. Individual unions may disagree with the criteria itself, the weighting of the criteria or the assessment itself (perhaps they assess Ireland's "vision and concept" as a 8.39/10 instead of 6.75/10).
The report does state the committee's mandate was to recommend the best candidate - so fair enough for some unions taking that position. I would prefer to look at it as they vetted all three bids and all are viable and relatively close - each union should vote for whoever they perceive as the best one.
The cynic in me dear says that Tew's position on the report "weighing heavily" in the NZRU's decision was to give him a viable option for voting against a SAANZAR member.
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@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@rotated said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
This is the first time there has been a board recommendation for a one off RWC? Traditionally voting has been pretty unpredictable year on year.
Still seems like several key hurdles that would do SA in - the rand being terrible, their sports admin always being bonkers, safety and security concerns as things could deteriorate even further in the next 6 years.
I would also imagine that Ireland have the Home Unions in their pocket (mind you stranger things have happened Australia went against us in 2011) which would be a very nice head start on voting.
Nix on the Home Unions. A number of the unions including NZRU have said they will vote with the recommendation - why bother having it otherwise.
That's it right there. If you spend umpteen hundreds of thousands (millions perhaps?)£££ to commission the report, then you look like dickheads of you don't follow the recommendations.
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@catogrande said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@pot-hale said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
@rotated said in D-Day looms for RWC 2023 bidders:
This is the first time there has been a board recommendation for a one off RWC? Traditionally voting has been pretty unpredictable year on year.
Still seems like several key hurdles that would do SA in - the rand being terrible, their sports admin always being bonkers, safety and security concerns as things could deteriorate even further in the next 6 years.
I would also imagine that Ireland have the Home Unions in their pocket (mind you stranger things have happened Australia went against us in 2011) which would be a very nice head start on voting.
Nix on the Home Unions. A number of the unions including NZRU have said they will vote with the recommendation - why bother having it otherwise.
That's it right there. If you spend umpteen hundreds of thousands (millions perhaps?)£££ to commission the report, then you look like dickheads of you don't follow the recommendations.
Yep. It also makes future bidding interesting if they continue with the stricture of single union bids/no sharing of games. If stadium quality and infrastructure is a biggie, then the likelihood of a small nation competing successfully against a bigger nation is going to work against them.
I would be very surprised if the WR Council would vote any other way except with the recommendation. It would just raise too many questions.
Conversely, if it's regarded as a slam-dunk based on independent recommendation, then does having a Council vote on it count for much? Maybe it continues propriety and transparency to the process.
